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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by watwut »

wongarsu wrote: post #31

So to summarize: he resuggested "WikiProject Intellectual Diversity", a group with the goal to make "Wikipedia more intellectually diverse" and "ensure fair and open decision-making and governance, broaden the range of permissible sources, reinforce genuine neutrality, rein in over-aggressive blocking while holding the powerful to higher standards of accountability", etc, with the implied undertone of preventing Wiki…

> Intellectual Diversity

Until I see a situation where this is used to add leftists or far left to a right wing organization, I will just assume it means quota for minimal number of underqualified right wing hacks.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by lambdaone »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #105
xacky wrote: post #2

This is now the end of Wikipedia for me, it's only a matter of time before the rest of the admins try to split the wiki into endless forks.

Always thought the dencrentalisation and forking of Wikipedia would be the endgame. Would allow for people to actually curate their own spaces again. Wikipedia is a great project, but I feel it's basically complete, and is technically limited. Half the references are dead or paywalled, so it's impossible to actually read more about anything. I'm sure AI would effectively be able to recreate webs of knowledge. Indexin…

> Always thought the dencrentalisation and forking of Wikipedia would be the endgame. Would allow for people to actually curate their own spaces again.

Database dumps and software for the entire enyclopedia are avaible for free, and multiple forks already exist, including two which are run on behalf of the Russian and Chinese governments. You are, and have always been, more than welcome to create your own.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by xena »

pwdisswordfishq wrote: post #170
spidercat wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not particularly relevant, but I'm noticing you using "xe" pronouns for Sanger. Why is that? Just wondering if I am missing more context.

JdeBP is surely referring to https://xeiaso.net/

It ain't me. I have no connections to Wikipedia and have a "only look, never touch" rule when it comes to interacting with it.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by bit-anarchist »

vrganj wrote: post #157
throwawaypath wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a rephrasing of the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, which was at the core of Breivik's Manifesto. A conspiracy theory that originated as "Cultural Bolshevism", the justification the actual Nazis used to justify their mass murder.

Cultural Bolshevism wasn't the justification to the mass murder the Nazis committed. The genocide was motivated due to Nazis' own racial theories. The rest were killed due to strict authoritarianism of the ideology. At best, it was an excuse.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by moralestapia »

mghackerlady wrote: post #152
moralestapia wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Larry Sanger is very clearly a man and has never expressed any desire to be treated differently than that. JdeBP is misgendering him on purpose, which is a very serious offense and even illegal in many parts of the world. We'll see if this is allowed to stay here.

Could also be a typo. Unlikely on QWERTY, but if JdeBP uses Dvorak or especially Workman that's more likely than JdeBP going out of their way to misgender a man with an obscure neopronoun

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Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by vrganj »

bit-anarchist wrote: post #174
vrganj wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a rephrasing of the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, which was at the core of Breivik's Manifesto. A conspiracy theory that originated as "Cultural Bolshevism", the justification the actual Nazis used to justify their mass murder.

Cultural Bolshevism wasn't the justification to the mass murder the Nazis committed. The genocide was motivated due to Nazis' own racial theories. The rest were killed due to strict authoritarianism of the ideology. At best, it was an excuse.

> Cultural Bolshevism wasn't the justification to the mass murder the Nazis committed. The genocide was motivated due to Nazis' own racial theories.

Those two are one and the same. Cultural Bolshevism was a Jewish plot in the Nazi world view.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by frankvdwaal »

mghackerlady wrote: post #152
moralestapia wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Larry Sanger is very clearly a man and has never expressed any desire to be treated differently than that. JdeBP is misgendering him on purpose, which is a very serious offense and even illegal in many parts of the world. We'll see if this is allowed to stay here.

Could also be a typo. Unlikely on QWERTY, but if JdeBP uses Dvorak or especially Workman that's more likely than JdeBP going out of their way to misgender a man with an obscure neopronoun

A typo? Twice in the same post? In both places where "he" would normally appear? Localized entirely within your kitchen?

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by bit-anarchist »

vrganj wrote: post #177
bit-anarchist wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cultural Bolshevism wasn't the justification to the mass murder the Nazis committed. The genocide was motivated due to Nazis' own racial theories. The rest were killed due to strict authoritarianism of the ideology. At best, it was an excuse.

> Cultural Bolshevism wasn't the justification to the mass murder the Nazis committed. The genocide was motivated due to Nazis' own racial theories. Those two are one and the same. Cultural Bolshevism was a Jewish plot in the Nazi world view.

No they aren't the same. Jews, as a race, were seen as subhuman and antisocial, sufficient justifications in Nazi world view to exterminate.

Cultural Bolshevism was, at best, an attempt to link anything seen as degenerate to jews to further strengthen persecution of such. Even if Jews weren't a thing, Nazis would still mass murder, hence it was an excuse.

Re: Wikipedia cofounder Larry Sanger blocked from editing Wikipedia

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Post by YoshiRulz »

martinald wrote: post #67
afh1 wrote: post #50

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Yes, banned by the status quo for trying to disturb it. Wikipedia is nowadays highly politicized and more time and energy are spent on politics than on actually contributing with any useful knowledge. I've stopped contributing years ago after a decade of writing because of how bad things had gotten. It's a lost battle, all that remains is scorched earth filled with toxic editors trying to push their POV and banning e…

Yes agreed, for example, there was an interesting table on the starlink page I used to check every so often showing which countries had access to starlink as it was rolled out. Was interesting to see the expansion. Of course, some editor decided it was 'marketing' for starlink so it got deleted despite loads of people protesting. It was the only source I could find easily for showing which country got starlink when.…

In that specific case, you could add those data to Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19867977#P2541
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