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The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by dredmorbius »

dang wrote: post #168
IshKebab wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's not what I understand it to mean. It's more like highlighting or challenging. See meaning 4.3 here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/call_out Like someone close to Trump could call him out by saying to him that Meloni didn't beg for a photo with him.

That definition is close to what I mean! But I think you'll find that in online vernacular, to "call $person out for $thing" has the association of publicly shaming $person for some $thing that the caller-outer believes they did, considers bad, and wishes to punish them for and/or pressure them into not doing again.

Seems to me that there's a distinction between calling out a practice or trope and calling out a person.

I do the former with ... some regularity (e.g., mis-statements of Weber's definition of government). Where trite/tired comments are frequent, push-back or corrections are also going to be somewhat repetitive.

In this thread, dropping "What a load of hogwash" from IshKebab's original reply would have left a perfectly cromulent point. That phrase itself does go against HN's civility guidelines. The comment it replies to is ... tired.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by [deleted] »

dredmorbius wrote: post #171
dang wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That definition is close to what I mean! But I think you'll find that in online vernacular, to "call $person out for $thing" has the association of publicly shaming $person for some $thing that the caller-outer believes they did, considers bad, and wishes to punish them for and/or pressure them into not doing again.

Seems to me that there's a distinction between calling out a practice or trope and calling out a person . I do the former with ... some regularity (e.g., mis-statements of Weber's definition of government). Where trite/tired comments are frequent, push-back or corrections are also going to be somewhat repetitive. In this thread, dropping "What a load of hogwash" from IshKebab's original reply would have left a perfec…

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Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by nitwit005 »

Planktonne wrote: post #159
nitwit005 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to argue against this kind of legislation, you need to repair a lot of lost trust first. Not trusting tech companies, or companies in general, is simply the correct attitude, so that's not happening. I don't feel your typical person feels the tech industry is somehow "pro child exploitation" though. I'm not even sure how one could be in that camp, in practical terms.

The average person is aware that the tech industry has been enabling online grooming, AI-generated CSAM, and a host of other things that aren't great for children. Any attempt to regulate these things, or even simply criticise them, is met by a horde of disingenuous arguments about the importance of free software.

That's definitely not a normal person's view of things, sorry.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by ddmf »

This does seem to be more of an effort to bring digital ID in via a backdoor - the proposal is less "under 16 social media ban" rather "over 16 will need to provide id to use social media"

I'd prefer that we had some standardised governmental endpoint that can authorise against a site for us, rather than use multiple individual methodologies to prove

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by ajb »

AJRF wrote: post #19

Am I right in thinking that the EFF doesn't launch any legal campaigns inside the UK (but they offer support to those who do) Is there a UK version of the EFF that fights in the courts against this lunacy or does it not quite work the same in the UK as it does in the US.

The "open rights group" was supposed to be the UK EFF. My personal evaluation is that they haven't achieved much; YMMV.
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