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Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

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Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

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If you set aside political menace, this is a huge problem with Anthropic's strategy. You _cannot_ say that Mythos is super dangerous and can only be rolled out to certain people, but then release Fable with anything other than bulletproof cyber denials. Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work. So you've ended up in a situation where Anthropic are simultaneously claiming it's a…

> Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work Exactly. AI safety is nonsensical. You cannot define the set of "bad strings". The billion monkeys with typewriters are eventually going to be able to produce them. Any "safety" system for constraining LLM output is going to have a nonzero leak rate. But on the other hand, this is also irrelevant, unless you're irresponsible enough to c…

> unless you're irresponsible enough to connect an LLM to something that actually matters.

Can't tell if you're saying this tongue-in-cheek or you're a bit out of the loop on what people are doing with LLMs.

And a quick correction:

> unless someone, somewhere is irresponsible enough to connect an LLM to something that actually matters.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#172

If you set aside political menace, this is a huge problem with Anthropic's strategy. You _cannot_ say that Mythos is super dangerous and can only be rolled out to certain people, but then release Fable with anything other than bulletproof cyber denials. Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work. So you've ended up in a situation where Anthropic are simultaneously claiming it's a…

Yeah, if Anthropic didn't spend the last what? Month? Month plus telling us how dangerous it was, I would be more upset, but they told us how dangerous it was, and they also said they would scour all your prompting / data (??) if you used it, I noped out of that one. Opus does everything I need it to, even if it takes me "longer" or I have to compact and feed it more context, that's fine by me. Still saves me weeks of effort.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#174

Don't people get it by now? This administration will do or say something crazy to a private company, then this private company sends an envoy to the White House to negotiate, then the White House asks for 10% of the company or other concessions. The White House wants 10% of Anthropic. This is just a negotiation tactic that Trump keeps on using.

Precisely this, and timed to their upcoming IPO. They did it to Intel a little while back: https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1748/...

To add some context, here was the Part 1 of this mobster style shakedown: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trump-says-intels-ceo-m...

Remember to point and laugh at your local MAGA for electing an actual crime boss and giving him state power.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#175
While there is some irony in the AI is dangerous marketing Anthropic uses, the main story here is that the Trump administration is apparently retaliating against Anthropic for refusing to relax certain safeguards. Trump and Hegseth have both posted highly immature, vindictive social media posts.

Most notably, any default assumption one might have had that the Trump administration can be counted upon to act in good faith should be viewed at this point as completely false. Even conservative legal scholars like Richard Epstein are shocked at the bad faith conduct across many areas.

This is a government making an authoritarian move to sabotage one of the top US AI companies. It's pure sabotage, nothing else.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#176
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work Exactly. AI safety is nonsensical. You cannot define the set of "bad strings". The billion monkeys with typewriters are eventually going to be able to produce them. Any "safety" system for constraining LLM output is going to have a nonzero leak rate. But on the other hand, this is also irrelevant, unless you're irresponsible enough to c…

> unless you're irresponsible enough to connect an LLM to something that actually matters. Can't tell if you're saying this tongue-in-cheek or you're a bit out of the loop on what people are doing with LLMs. And a quick correction: > unless someone, somewhere is irresponsible enough to connect an LLM to something that actually matters.

"You" can be used as a generalized plural here. Of course people are connecting LLMs to bank accounts, power grids, airline sales, account recovery chatbots and so on. I no longer read COMP.RISKS but I imagine they're having fun with this.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#177
post #57

If you set aside political menace, this is a huge problem with Anthropic's strategy. You _cannot_ say that Mythos is super dangerous and can only be rolled out to certain people, but then release Fable with anything other than bulletproof cyber denials. Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work. So you've ended up in a situation where Anthropic are simultaneously claiming it's a…

> Clearly with LLMs, bulletproof denials are ~impossible due to the way LLMs work Exactly. AI safety is nonsensical. You cannot define the set of "bad strings". The billion monkeys with typewriters are eventually going to be able to produce them. Any "safety" system for constraining LLM output is going to have a nonzero leak rate. But on the other hand, this is also irrelevant, unless you're irresponsible enough to c…

This one limitation of LLMs is kind of my bar for "Not truly AI yet" but I'm not saying it as a "its not good at all" type of bar, moreso, know the limits and work from there. LLMs will continue to struggle with things that require intuition for a while I think. It will get really interesting if they can ever truly detect a bad faith actor using them.

Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#178

While there is some irony in the AI is dangerous marketing Anthropic uses, the main story here is that the Trump administration is apparently retaliating against Anthropic for refusing to relax certain safeguards. Trump and Hegseth have both posted highly immature, vindictive social media posts. Most notably, any default assumption one might have had that the Trump administration can be counted upon to act in good fa…

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Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#179

Anyone trying to find legitimacy in the ban of this model, or incredulousness at the stated reasoning is playing into the admins hands. They want the argument to be over "is it unsafe" or "is it incompetence". In either case, your tribe gets to point at the ban and feel superior. (This is Jon Stewart's whole career -- point and laugh at how foolish the republicans appear to be.) What's really happening is the continu…

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Re: Feds freaked over Fable 5 after 'fix this code', not jailbreak, say researchers

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that tough. You can get an idea by how many people are being murdered. A successful serial killer results in dead people, and a successful infiltration results in malware being executed. If there are no murdered people with unattributed causes of death, or there are no open-source projects with unattributed causes of malware being shipped, you can conclude there are roughly 0 active serial killers / infiltra…

> You can get an idea by how many people are being murdered. No, we can't, as that happens a lot via non-serial killers. A truly successful serial killer is likely one who hides in that noise. No taunting the cops, distributed geographic locations, random methods, avoiding calling cards, and careful not to leave too many traces. It seems likely that some of the 350k unsolved homicides in the US can be explained this…

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