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Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

nonethewiser wrote: post #24
treesknees wrote: post #22

This exactly reflects my feelings lately. I have a specific coworker who has gone somewhat overboard - every single code review, answer to any question on email or Teams, every new story, even their personal opinions during a design or ideas meeting, are all direct AI output with no massaging or human touch or review. They're working on planning out an upcoming project, and I just get verbose and long documents to re…

Instinctively I think the move is to ignore it. I guess that would look different in different contexts. Obviously you have to communicate with your coworkers. But I think the solution has to essential be: "Im not going to read that."

I told something like “your value lies in reviewing the output yourself before sharing it, not in calling Claude. I can also use Claude.”

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by latentsea »

emodendroket wrote: post #99
CoastalCoder wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like one potential interpretation of his behavior is that he values his own time more than your time. I wonder if that's occurred to him.

Well, what's the solution here, he should ship less stuff?

Less WIP is better for the throughput. If you saturate all the review bandwidth you're just wasting your time creating more PRs, the time would be better spent helping others get their PRs merged.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by filleduchaos »

carlosjobim wrote: post #97
cool_dude85 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you are a restaurant reviewer. Your job is unquestionably to go to restaurants, order and eat food, and write a review. The restaurant's job is to provide you food to eat and review. You go to a new restaurant, and order some dishes, and one of the plates your server brings out is a big ol pile of dog shit. Who's being anti-social in this situation? The restaurant is doing its job and all they're asking is th…

He's not bringing you a pile of dog shit. He's bringing you some food he went to the restaurant next doors to get. How do you review it?

I cannot think of a single actual food critic that would consider it acceptable for a restaurant to serve a dish for review that they went to the restaurant next door to get. If the critic wanted to eat at/review that restaurant they would simply have gone there instead.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by dwd »

And no one has mentioned Rovo yet.

Atlassian's in-built AI assistant for JIRA will generate a task description with a complete SDLC task breakdown, requirements and deliverables.

While the person creating the task will need to provide some details and modify some of the generated text (if they bother to read it) - the sheer verbosity and the fact it's clearly generated just makes you not want to engage with it.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

dabinat wrote: post #73

It surprises me how many people have voluntarily relegated their entire job to LLM Prompter. If your work is indistinguishable from that of a machine, what’s to stop your boss cutting out the middleman and using the machine directly? I would have thought that people would be trying their hardest to prove their worth in this new world we’re in.

I actively support “my boss” to run Claude Code. I offered them to help and made jokes it’s so easy these days they might as well just call Claude Code themselves. I’ve shown I could plop in their documents of feedback and Claude fixed the issues.

I have worked with non-tech employees to set up Claude to help them do small tasks. I’ve helped to review and improve completely vibe-coded projects by such employees.

I’m not sure what my role will be, but I fully embrace that my traditional role of writing code is gone.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by renegade-otter »

voidfunc wrote: post #52
CoastalCoder wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like one potential interpretation of his behavior is that he values his own time more than your time. I wonder if that's occurred to him.

AI and companies reward sociopathic behavior. When he eventually complains to his boss that his work isn't being merged and it's been done for days/weeks/months that will filter up and look bad on the people holding him up.

Or, I might say, why review the PR. Get Claude to do it? Why do I need to spend my time and attention and this person does not?

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

carlosjobim wrote: post #97
cool_dude85 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you are a restaurant reviewer. Your job is unquestionably to go to restaurants, order and eat food, and write a review. The restaurant's job is to provide you food to eat and review. You go to a new restaurant, and order some dishes, and one of the plates your server brings out is a big ol pile of dog shit. Who's being anti-social in this situation? The restaurant is doing its job and all they're asking is th…

He's not bringing you a pile of dog shit. He's bringing you some food he went to the restaurant next doors to get. How do you review it?

So he’s redundant. You call Uber Eats and you don’t pay a salary for that.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by shinryuu »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #163
niuzeta wrote: post #34

A very prolific coworker who fully embraced claude has inflicted the team with a flood of AI-generated PRs. About six months later, it is his frequent bemoaning at the standup that their PR don't get reviewed, languishing in inattention. I don't think anyone - including myself - _intentionally_ avoid his PRs. It's just that he doesn't make it easy for the team to look at. This single headline perfectly captures what…

In big software teams, the bottleneck is team communication. I've run big and small teams. If I want to speed things up, I remove people from the team. Everything gets easier. This has worked amazingly well every time I've done this over the past decades. Removing people doesn't have to mean firing them necessarily. Splitting teams is a good reflex. But of course the people you remove from a team are typically not th…

Honestly, we should make a world that is enjoyable and productive for humans. Not relentlessly optimizing for agents.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by smrq »

Jensson wrote: post #70
LambdaComplex wrote: post #65

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> Ask Fable to conduct an adversarial /ultareview of their PR and send the same wall of text back to them. This won't help. Your wall of text will just get fed right back into the LLM.

It will help if your wall of text cost less tokens than theirs, they will run out before you do if you have the same company quota per person.

More like they will climb even higher on the lighting-dollars-on-fire leaderboard.

Re: If you are asking for human attention, demonstrate human effort

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Post by esperent »

zetanor wrote: post #56

What I find strange is how rarely LLM output is distributed alongside the LLM input, especially outside of code repos. Why can't I rerun the prompt that resulted in your work next year, when models have gotten better? Are people ashamed of their prompts? Ashamed of having used AI? i unno Prompt used to generate this message: "Create a comment for Hacker News which bemoans the lack of AI prompts being shared with the…

> Why can't I rerun the prompt that resulted in your work next year, when models have gotten better?

Because you could also just point the better model at the generated code and tell it to improve it, so why save the prompt too?

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