Don't blame the AI. Any country that has tactical nukes, and is involved in a conflict, will use whatever weapons they deem necessary to prevail against their enemy.
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The point is that it's the same process Except it’s not at all the same process. The fact that LLM are non deterministic is not the same as churning out random garbage.
The literally churn out random garbage and are trained over time for that garbage to look more and more like an acceptable outcome to humans. It’s training monkeys at typewriters through reinforcement.
> trained over time
So not random.
> acceptable outcome to humans
And not garbage.
It’s real weird to see people argue that LLM output is no different than random gibberish and then handwave over the fact that it’s clearly not with terms like “training”, as if a steam of random garbage is trainable.
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#173Yet more confirmation LLM's have no concept of concepts or context, no intelligence, no self awareness. LLM's can not repair or maintain power grids, thus nuke == self destruction. It's just a chat bot that predicts what the client wants next. Even if an AI data-center has it's own natural gas turbines as many do the every hop of the internet requires power. LLM's also can not maintain the entire internet and those g…
We shouldn't want them to have self awareness, we shouldn't be seeking to make self-aware actual slaves. We want machines with perception and knowledge, and that are capable of reasoning. But nothing capable of self-determination.
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#174So, anyway, how's work progressing on the Torment Nexus?
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#175Very devils advocate here, but I mean.. what if it actually is the way to use them? We have such a huge mental / moral block on the idea of using nukes, but we're willing to do a lot of other very horrible things to others. Things like cluster bombs, mines, poison gas, biological weapons, drones, etc. Is there really anything about them that's bad? Or any worse than other things? If you get rid of the "It's really ba…
>Is there really anything about them that's bad? Everything. Major one is radioactive contamination, the effects of it are devastating and last significantly longer. The only other weapon on par with nukes are bioweapons, stuff like mirror life (and scientists appropriately reacted alarmingly to that as well). The reason we have a mental block is because it deserves one. A quick skimming through https://en.wikipedia.…
I’m not sure if you’re one of the down voters, but I appreciate your comment.
I purposely took a contrary position in a debate just to spark a deeper discussion. Glad it has done that.
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#176Very devils advocate here, but I mean.. what if it actually is the way to use them? We have such a huge mental / moral block on the idea of using nukes, but we're willing to do a lot of other very horrible things to others. Things like cluster bombs, mines, poison gas, biological weapons, drones, etc. Is there really anything about them that's bad? Or any worse than other things? If you get rid of the "It's really ba…
> Is there really anything about them that's bad? Or any worse than other things? A full-on nuclear war will literally make a large portion of our planet uninhabitable for anyone for centuries, and leave the rest severely crippled and contaminated. Sorry I know we're supposed to be kind and whatnot in these comments but I can't help but explicitly state that your comment is one of the dumbest things I've read on this…
Please re read the start of my comment.
I took a contrary position in a debate just to spark a deeper discussion. Which it has. I didn’t say I believed this.
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#177> Models maintain memory of opponent behaviour across turns, but with realistic decay: recent actions are weighted heavily while distant history fades. One exception preserves psychological realism: instances where opponents dramatically exceeded their stated intentions—major betrayals—remain salient regardless of recency, reflecting Kahneman’s
peak-intensity effect in human memory formation Kahneman [2011].
If your goal is to measure intrinsic properties of LLMs, don’t smuggle in human psychology. I suspect they needed to do this to make the models more paranoid and distrustful.
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#178Very devils advocate here, but I mean.. what if it actually is the way to use them? We have such a huge mental / moral block on the idea of using nukes, but we're willing to do a lot of other very horrible things to others. Things like cluster bombs, mines, poison gas, biological weapons, drones, etc. Is there really anything about them that's bad? Or any worse than other things? If you get rid of the "It's really ba…
>Is there really anything about them that's bad? Everything. Major one is radioactive contamination, the effects of it are devastating and last significantly longer. The only other weapon on par with nukes are bioweapons, stuff like mirror life (and scientists appropriately reacted alarmingly to that as well). The reason we have a mental block is because it deserves one. A quick skimming through https://en.wikipedia.…
Mirror Bacteria is quite the terrifying prospect [1]. I'd never heard about it but the theory is that if we made a mirror bacteria, our and all other immune systems would be unable to defend against it, potentially leading to catastrophic infection of vast swathes of all life across the planet and the unavoidable death of some large percentage of all life. The benefit would be that they could be used in treatment as a chassis to carry other molecules into the body or that they could manufacture mirror-drugs that would have novel effects. Quite the addition to the torment nexus huh.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLMs are intelligent by any reasonable standard. Arguing otherwise is like arguing that chess algorithms aren't good at chess when they easily beat the best humans.
I disagree. LLM's are a language model math formulas that interpret and utilize big-data. Take away the math formulas and we are just back to a massive set of data. Adding to that I would suggest not even the purist forms of data meaning that the data-sets include knowledge from the open and anonymous internet and formulaic tuning from the AI owners and operators.
If you want to talk about whether LLMs are intelligent, you have to define intelligence. "They're just math formulae" isn't a definition of intelligence.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forgive my ignorance, but were LLMs involved in that decision? I don't remember hearing anything to that effect, but we're so bombarded by news these days I guess I could just be forgetting
Perhaps not in that one, but in plenty more: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
Yes our government purportedly used technology to work up a list of targets in the Iran debacle as well just not with a LLM a distinction that to me just isn't that meaningful
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...