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Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

One thing I have been thinking about is digital tariffs. The US is perfectly willing to slam billions into ventures that lose money for years. EU for example doesn’t work that way. Consequence: US can develop faster, unconstrained by profitability, and capture the entire market before EU. This seems as US being more “innovative”, but realistically they are just running a perhaps similar engine way hotter at the cost…

>at the cost of American QoL being way worse for the less fortunate

That's a common claim, not sure it's true

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/poverty-share-on-less-tha...

https://xcancel.com/CPopeHC/status/2065144840002670921

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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The comment you've replied to is clearly not "partisan bluster". While it may be a tad hyperbolic, with the Stanley Cup line, it's driving a valid point that while Canada is facing a number of very real challenges, the government in power is spending its time on internet censorship bills. These bills are of almost no benefit to the average Canadian, and the point is that the government should focus more on things tha…

> while Canada is facing a number of very real challenges, the government in power is spending its time on internet censorship bills. You could have said this at any point in the last ~15-20 years and it would apply. It's a problem certainly but not a new problem and has little to do with the current government nor current issues. They will try and try again until they succeed. Instead of arguing over these semantics…

I agree, we need more permanent measures. I'm tired of seeing these bills pop up over and over and having to play whack-a-mole. Any suggestions?

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

> Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). That's actually not true for most of those countries. None of those countries other than maybe China have laws requiring encryption backdoors. Suspicionless bulk metadata retention is also i…

China and Israel have pretty strict requirements. Korea was recently on the news for something some might say is an "internet speech requirement" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406198)

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...

You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.

This has nothing to do with partisan politics. If you elect a party 4 times in a row, they rightfully won't care about your opinions. Holding parties responsible for their decisions and NOT making it partisan ensures both parties better align with what voters want.

Electing the Liberals forever because "the Cons are evil" or whatever just means we'll turn into a Liberal dictatorship.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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in a three-party system, there's provably no optimal voting system. Most people who would normally vote NDP voted strategically in the last election to prevent a conservative majority. While it's true in the literal sense that we got what we voted for -- I mean, that's tautological; whoever wins an election is "voted" for -- it's not really the whole picture.

There is always the Australian system. Mandatory voting, preferential votes, majority rule. The Preferential part is the most important, it means you can vote for who you want but also have the second preference get a vote if the first fails to get a wide enough margin. That first vote however will get additional resources based on vote tally with the next election cycle. If either of the last two majority parties fa…

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Stop this heinous legislative attempt to rob Canadians of their right to privacy ,under the guise of public protection from criminality. This Bill is merely a potential vehicle for international bad actors to seize more personal data from unsuspecting law-abiding Canadians!
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