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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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You posted way too many flamewar comments to this thread. Please don't do that. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you did something similar in this other recent thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48438522 . Can you please not? We eventually have to ban accounts that keep stoking flames this way, and we've already asked you onc…

ok. fair call.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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That's a dangerous situation for EU: - UK would rejoin EU, - and then, later on, Reform would reach power and undermine EU just like Orban did. So maybe it would be better to refuse UK its reentry into EU...

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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I agree, and I apologize. My emotions overflowed.

That being said – and with no reduction in my apology – I'm very glad to see that the comment my anger was directed at (a wild political statement without anything backing it up or anything contributing to further discussion) was also reprimanded. This kind of "contribution" to the discourse is a major threat to free societies, and should be called out (calling the author a moron is, of course, not the best way of doing that).

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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I am not talking about prehistory here. The culture of the Japanese "Home Islands" in the Middle Ages consisted of two main groups: Ainu/Edo and the Japonic peoples who spoke related dialects. The first group was treated abysmally and dwindled. There were differences based on environment, e.g. the people in Tohuku had to deal with the cold and those in the south had subtropical climates and more outside interaction.…

We're talking about separate things, yeah. The Ainu/mainland distinction is a feature arrived much later than the mixing I am referring to. My point is that Japan ethnicity is the product of a mixing just as the one occurring nowadays in France, Britain or Norway, between several very different people. So that, if such mixing produces great results (do we agree that modern day Japan is that?), why not welcome today's…

"So that, if such mixing produces great results (do we agree that modern day Japan is that?), why not welcome today's mixings for the sake of the great nations of the future?"

It can also produce indifferent and awful results depending on the situation, which you don't mention.

Do you think that the introduction of the Italian Mafia was beneficial to the USA for example? It is clear that most Italian Americans were never in the Mafia but the USA let in individuals who were known to be in it, which was avoidable. In fact, the USA revitalised it after WW2 in Italy too.

Japan's remote ancestry isn't the issue here. Your point is not well nuanced and merely promotes the dominant narrative of today. If Japan has been great, I would put that down to a combination of native resilience (since Japan can be a tough environment in terms of earthquakes, tsunami and volcanos), Chinese high culture (especially in art, philosophy and literature) and a high degree of adaptability to western technologies. Austronesians may have contributed some level of maritime knowledge, but that would have been superseded at least a thousand years ago by improved ships and navigation methods.

Japan is at a crossroads just now. It does appear to have some economic and structural issues. Where these go long term, we will see.

The Ainu are far more relevant than what you talk about, because they still exist today and are under major threat. Their future, unfortunately, is not well assured.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Please don't ever comment like this on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. This is only a site where anyone wants to participate because others make the effort to do better than this. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and observe them in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I agree, and I apologize. My emotions overflowed. That being said – and with no reduction in my apology – I'm very glad to see that the comment my anger was directed at (a wild political statement without anything backing it up or anything contributing to further discussion) was also reprimanded. This kind of "contribution" to the discourse is a major threat to free societies, and should be called out (calling the au…

Thanks for the contrition.

We hadn't reprimanded that user as yet, not because we regard it as a good comment (we certainly don't), but because we hadn't gotten to it. That's almost always the reason why we may reprimand one comment but not another bad one in a subthread. We're often not reading through subthreads in order of the discussion; we have different views of comments we look at to help us find the worst ones. Often, we get to other comments later, or if not, users who comment like that repeatedly will be reprimanded at another time, and eventually banned if they keep it up.

> This kind of "contribution" to the discourse is a major threat to free societies

I'd appeal to you to be less alarmist about comments posted on a niche tech-focused text-only discussion board. People can have strongly opposing opinions and even unhealthy ways of expressing political positions without necesssarily being "a major threat to free societies".

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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What percentage of the vote was required to join the EU? The EU effectively constitutes a relinquishment of sovereignty, but that's not how it was sold to citizens, they were told that they could leave at any time.

You remember the story the citizens were sold but not the vote requirement seems odd. From a minimum of research, it seems there was no vote to join the EU, which did not exist at the time (1973) of the European Communities project with common currency and the rest. But in 1975 they had a referendum to stay and decided they would with a 67% Yes.

It was a rhetorical question. Usually decisions in democracies require a 50% majority, as here.

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These questions aren't comparable. Japan had a crash modernization followed by a brief outburst of violent colonialism, which they thought was the style at the time but was actually in decline almost everywhere else. Britain had an empire that lasted hundreds of years, and whose greatest legacy is linguistic and temporal system dominance. Having spent centuries proclaiming itself to be the literal center of civilizat…

> which they thought was the style at the time but was actually in decline almost everywhere else. I truly hate the historical revisionism of Westerners. Japan engaged in colonialism because it was an active victim of colonialism , and the only way to fight back was to stand on equal footing. Through the 1800s~1940s, Europe controlled nearly the entirety of Asia. China had been subject to countless treaties forced up…

It's not historical revisionism, it's my desire to not write multiple paragraphs explaining the much briefer period of Japanese colonialism when the main point I wanted to make was about the British empire. By the time Japan launched its invasion of Manchuria the end of European colonialism was already in sight; Ireland had freed (mos of) itself from British domination a decade earlier, Gandhi had led the salt march in India the previous year and so on.

Yet amazingly Europeans found and continue to find no shortage of pearl clutching over Japan daring to do the same thing they did, in a dog-eat-dog world where not doing so meant becoming another pawn.

This is the exact opposite of how I feel about it. It was natural for Japan to emulate its geopolitical competitors, they just timed it poorly, overlooked the gradually rising tide of decolonization, and allowed the army in Manchuria too much leeway, culminating in atrocities that continue to haunt their foreign relations today.

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