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Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by moffkalast »

Shitty-kitty wrote: post #123
pembrook wrote: post #101

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> what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? All of the above and more. Everything holding Mistral back is the same thing that has held Europe back from competing in the entire digital revolution. See this 1991 article lamenting the loss of any viable European PC manufacturer: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/22/business/europe-stumbles-... Mistral being in Europe is disadvantaged with:…

You say that as if the American version of maximalist Capitalism is good or desirable to most people. Personally, I would much rather have good public pensions and health-care, than A.I agents.

Yeah and data protections. GDPR, data frugality laws, etc. may be the end of Mistral but it's a small price to pay for corporations to not have free range over every minute detail of our lives. Americans just accept it because they have already lost. We haven't, in fact we've just won recently with chat control being struck down. Meta can no longer train on and monitor every Whatsapp chat without being criminally liable.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by raincole »

trouve_search wrote: post #9

OK, I'm 100% rooting for both Mistral and task focused small models. But Mistral has fall really far behind since 2025Q3. It seems they can't get good reasoning models working at even medium context sizes, which is necessary to be at the table right now. Gemma4 and Qwen3.6 are currently best in the small size; Mistral's "small" model has ~4x the parameter count at 120B and isn't even competing with models a quarter i…

> they've fallen into irrelevancy right now

It's a very charitable take, as Mistral has never really left the realm of irrelevancy.

It's only a matter of time before EU falls back to hosting Chinese models in EU datacenters.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by wongarsu »

rolymath wrote: post #128
cowpig wrote: post #121

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I think you are underestimating the amount of compute the US frontier labs have access to.

So, more than 70% of the compute on earth?

More than 5%, I assume. From the combination of "5% in the EU under European companies" and "each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU"

I dont't think that was meant to be implied: the EU actually has access to more GPUs than those hosted by European companies in Europe, just as US labs have access to GPUs hosted outside the US

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by wongarsu »

Tepix wrote: post #145
baq wrote: post #73

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They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays. Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.

The chinese labs manage to do it. Mistral should have enough money.

The EU has intentional structural hurdles to pouring money into a predetermined single company. Both hurdles meant to fight corruption and nepotism, and hurdles meant to ensure fairness between the member states. After all, money to Mistral is money to France too, and you don't want countries to abuse such mechanisms

It's not impossible, but China is just much better set up for the nessesary level of government support

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by MichaelZuo »

esperent wrote: post #119
MichaelZuo wrote: post #118

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No, we want you to backup your claims and provide sources or stop adding pointless low effort anti-EU noise to the conversation. It's frustrating, any time there's any kind of discussion about anything European on HN it gets flooded with shallow, low effort "EU-bad" posts like your contributions here. If you're going to make that claim at least put some effort in.

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by wiether »

gameshot911 wrote: post #115

Does anyone else always read "Mistrial" instead of "Mistral"? Always think I'm about to read a juicy gossip piece, and let down when it's just a standard update on an AI company. edit A lot of AI company names are really strange, actually. "Claude" is really the best a trillion+ dollar company could come up with? It sounds like the name of a grandpa or something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(wind)

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by snowpid »

wongarsu wrote: post #174
Tepix wrote: post #145

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The chinese labs manage to do it. Mistral should have enough money.

The EU has intentional structural hurdles to pouring money into a predetermined single company. Both hurdles meant to fight corruption and nepotism, and hurdles meant to ensure fairness between the member states. After all, money to Mistral is money to France too, and you don't want countries to abuse such mechanisms It's not impossible, but China is just much better set up for the nessesary level of government suppo…

China is a way more corrupt country but this might be a benefit of less rules.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by snowpid »

PeterStuer wrote: post #153
pembrook wrote: post #101

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> what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? All of the above and more. Everything holding Mistral back is the same thing that has held Europe back from competing in the entire digital revolution. See this 1991 article lamenting the loss of any viable European PC manufacturer: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/22/business/europe-stumbles-... Mistral being in Europe is disadvantaged with:…

1 and 2 are the same. Infinite money without barely any consequence because of 'reserve currency' privilege. To compete with that, the EU can't nuke the dollar because it would be suicide given the Eurodollar realities, and they can't anchor EU ip and talent because our politicians are too intertwined with globalist ideology and capital.

"they can't anchor EU ip and talent because our politicians are too intertwined with globalist ideology and capital." You want to force staying in the EU?

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by snowpid »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #136
pembrook wrote: post #101

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> what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? All of the above and more. Everything holding Mistral back is the same thing that has held Europe back from competing in the entire digital revolution. See this 1991 article lamenting the loss of any viable European PC manufacturer: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/22/business/europe-stumbles-... Mistral being in Europe is disadvantaged with:…

> 2. Talent & compute: due to #1, Silicon Valley can outbid Europe for the best talent and hardware. Watch an OpenAI launch video and listen to all the European accents. There is definitely a lot of truth to that. Maybe a bit of an arbitrary measure, but these are the nationalites of the people that wrote the "Attention is all you need" paper. Pretty revealing I find: Ashish Vaswani: India Niki Parmar: India Jakob Us…

Yes that was 2018. Things vastly deteriorated in the US.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by snowpid »

foo42 wrote: post #141
gregorygoc wrote: post #79

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No, we don’t need US’s Trojan horse in the EU

Interesting. Could you elaborate. As a pro Europe Brit I'm interested to understand this viewpoint. Is it a widely held perspective do you know?

Jumping in and most people in Germany wouldnt see UK as an American trojan hourse. I dont think anti American countries like France and Danemark have a problem with UK being in the EU per se.

I can see most people want that UK wouldnt just get special treatment any more.

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