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Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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SAT prep is much more than just taking practice exams.

The person to whom I responded seemed to imply that it consists chiefly or entirely of taking practice exams. I merely wish to point out that if you want your kid to take SAT practice exams every month you can do it for free at home.

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>And that's commendable, but what if your brother would not have had time for doing cross country in high school because he had to care for his siblings as your parents were poor and working double shifts? Or so heavily indebted due to a cancer therapy that he couldn't afford running shoes? That's awful and unfortunate, but he still shouldn't have an extra hour shaved from his half-marathon times over his competitors…

Those are certainly shitty ways to ensure equity. Why are they what you jump to? What if we did a better job helping parents with childcare and healthcare?

>Those are certainly shitty ways to ensure equity. Why are they what you jump to?

Because they're effectively what proponents of equity have implemented in practice:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-un...

>What if we did a better job helping parents with childcare and healthcare?

I mean we've already spent trillions on such efforts over the last half century, and the effects have been pretty minimal (and in some cases I'd argue outright counterproductive). See Abbott Districts in New Jersey, the Head Start preschool program, subsidized daycare in every state, etc.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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Professors who fail large swathes of their classes get in trouble.

Tenured professors do often fail large swathes of the class, and it's not hard to stand their ground because academic freedom is still very important in universities. This is not generally true for non-tenured and adjunct professors, but for a different reason -- their job review rely on a large part on student feedback forms, and failing students are not happy students. The idea that if only all professors stood the…

The universities can just fail them out and admit people who barely missed the admission bar in their place. Many of them will make it.

What's wrong with making universities easier to get into, but harder to stay in?

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No matter how you restrict it with MDM profiles, it’s distracting compared to pencil/paper.

Can’t it run restricted to a single application in kiosk mode? Unless the application itself provides distraction, what would be distracting?

Why do we even want to pay $500 per device for something that is easily replicated by a $1 paper notebook? The only people that benefit from forcing classrooms to adopt these devices is big tech relying on corporate welfare to juice their books.

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I used to teach high school math. There was a big push for doing everything digitally. And admittedly, for some topics the use of technology in the classroom or at home can really be a benefit, for instance visualizations or interactive exercises. But having a digital device in class was the number one cause of distraction every time. For a lot of things, good old blackboards are just fine as are pen + paper exercise…

I suggest you glance at the novel Ananthem by Neal Stephenson. The core plot device is about "universities" stripping all worldly items away from the students, so they are left with simple clothes and chalkboards. Fascinating topic, well executed by Neal. One of my favorite books.

This reminded me of Kvothe from Name of the Wind.

Re: Citing 'severe' math deficits, UC faculty demand a return to SAT tests for STEM

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The person to whom I responded seemed to imply that it consists chiefly or entirely of taking practice exams. I merely wish to point out that if you want your kid to take SAT practice exams every month you can do it for free at home.

Such a "SAT test prep course" is going to involve more than just self-guided practice exams. It'll include feedback and coaching to address deficits revealed by those practice exams.

This is exactly right. Writing each practice exam only takes a few hours and this course last months. The reset of the time is filled with all the things you talked about.

Plus, for some kids writing a practice exam at home isn’t the same thing as a simulated seating with kids all around and a proctor in the room.

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That is the entire problem in a nutshell. You cannot reject more than one or two students in a year or the school will reject you.

> You cannot reject more than one or two students in a year this seems absurdly low, from my experience. but i have only taught in one school, so maybe we're the outlier? i would say one to two failing students per course is the baseline, not the cap. can you share where you are getting this number from? is that the guideline where you teach?

Just use AI: https://abcnews.com/WN/houston-teachers-fired-students-faili...

See also: Adele Jones, Steven Aird, Diane Tirado

It's a complete national mess. You don't know what will happen in your school until you do it. Half of the country hates hard teachers, the other half loves them.

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I used to teach high school math. There was a big push for doing everything digitally. And admittedly, for some topics the use of technology in the classroom or at home can really be a benefit, for instance visualizations or interactive exercises. But having a digital device in class was the number one cause of distraction every time. For a lot of things, good old blackboards are just fine as are pen + paper exercise…

It’s definitely actively bad to involve a device in the vast majority of education. And, it’s a purely selfish thing by tech companies to insert themselves into education. A student should not see a computer until college or vocational school unless they are taking e.g a high school programming or electronics class.

You've got to be kidding. Writing longhand was always a miserable experience for me no matter what technique or pen I used. Typing on a keyboard is so much faster and more fluent.

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Those are certainly shitty ways to ensure equity. Why are they what you jump to? What if we did a better job helping parents with childcare and healthcare?

>Those are certainly shitty ways to ensure equity. Why are they what you jump to? Because they're effectively what proponents of equity have implemented in practice: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-un... >What if we did a better job helping parents with childcare and healthcare? I mean we've already spent trillions on such efforts over the last half century, and the effects have been pretty…

> Because they're effectively what proponents of equity have implemented in practice…

So you agree with the goal of equity, but not the approaches taken so far?

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