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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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I tried it and the text input area was black with a dark font. I checked the documentation, and asked DeepSeek v4, Claude, and Gemini for help with the fonts/style and nothing works except to run in a terminal with a dark theme. Crazy. None of the devs on the project use a light theme?

I agree that this is an issue, but.. no, they probably don’t. Light themes are very rarely used.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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I gave a fairly complex reverse engineering task to DS-4 xhigh and GPT-5.5 xhigh today. After about 6 hours, both ultimately failed to fully RE, however, there were some drastic differences: DS stopped every 30 minutes or so, saying it did full RE and it should all work now, while in fact, it didn't complete even 1% of it. It also looked for shortcuts again and again, despite me prompting heavily that the specific sh…

The GPT models are heavily biased to a more incremental, empirical, evidence based approach. Sometimes to a fault. I prefer them for this reason, but it requires coaxing or strategic use of /goal to break it out if its highly staged, one piece at a time, approach.. if you don't like it. I suspect for people doing more... website ... type development, the more "yeet this into existence" style of Opus feels preferable.…

You make it sound as if Codex is for people who know what they want and Claude Code is for people who don’t know what they’re doing.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…

Is it not better to have a country far away spying on you than your own country?

Not if it’s industrial espionage.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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What conclusion are you drawing from that?

If Deepseek can't even make a static site, why would I want to use it for anything else? (Not saying it can't, just that it's a weird choice to present your Deepseek-oriented product.)

I see your point, but as we know, devs from Google and OpenAI regularly use Claude Code because of its edge in frontend. I think using another model to build your own thing is a pragmatic engineering decision, not a sign of failure.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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You should definitely stick to the $200 plan, and not try the $10 coding plans with open weight models and higher limits. Anthropic needs your money to stay solvent, and you'll sleep better knowing you're using SOTA.

(Zero reason to defend Anthropic.) I’ve gone that route. I really wanted to stop using Claude, but Deepseek v4 Pro and Kimi 2.6 didn’t do the job. For a lot of coding tasks or well-specced plans, maybe… but then that’s a plan made by Opus anyway. Even Sonnet is sometimes not worth the trouble. Opus is very thorough and reviews its own mistakes quite well. Catches a lot of edge cases. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try o…

/advisor is like the old /opusplan mode but for running tasks not just pre-planning. It can work nicely with Sonnet as the main agent and escalates to Opus as needed.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#176

I would've liked benchmarks against other harnesses showing the caching performance

Just checked the stats on my opencode/DS usage...looks like 70%ish hit rate.

Pretty shaky datapoint though...don't use it as primary model

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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It's pretty funny, i'm a $200/m Claude subscriber and i've had little need to use anything else. However the more Claude has been restricting my workflow (notably around the recent IDE/-p usage change) the more i've been wanting to go elsehwere. I'm concerned since i really want SOTA reasoning, but DeepSeek still has me interested.

You should definitely stick to the $200 plan, and not try the $10 coding plans with open weight models and higher limits. Anthropic needs your money to stay solvent, and you'll sleep better knowing you're using SOTA.

The world would be better long-term if we chise tonfund open models instead however.

If you think short-term and only about yourself, paying for SOTA regardless of how many military contracts the lab has is the best thing, but paying for open models is both better ethically, and for a future where AI belongs to everyone and not just to Altman et al.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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post #36

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I’m feeling more a novice every day, but how isn’t this just handing over your code to team deepseek for whatever they might want

there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…

The four biggest (obvious) backdoor countries in the world in no particular order the United States, Israel, Russia, China. Honorable mentions, North Korea, Ukraine…

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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post #83

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there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…

As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…

Exactly this.

I don't care about the US more than about Russia or China these days.

They are definitely not our allies anymore.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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The GPT models are heavily biased to a more incremental, empirical, evidence based approach. Sometimes to a fault. I prefer them for this reason, but it requires coaxing or strategic use of /goal to break it out if its highly staged, one piece at a time, approach.. if you don't like it. I suspect for people doing more... website ... type development, the more "yeet this into existence" style of Opus feels preferable.…

You make it sound as if Codex is for people who know what they want and Claude Code is for people who don’t know what they’re doing.

I was trying to not sound that biased, but ok ;-)
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