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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by senordevnyc »

granzymes wrote: post #117
bix6 wrote: post #75

I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

I think it would be helpful for you to clarify which part of the chain you found objectionable: - in 2015, OpenAI was founded as a Delaware nonprofit - in 2017, OpenAI discovered the scaling laws and realized they needed far more compute (and thus money) than they had initially anticipated - that discovery precipitated a series of negotiations between the founders on how to restructure OpenAI to raise more money for…

This is super valuable, thank you so much. It makes it clear just how misinformed 99% of HN seems to be when ranting about how Altman perpetrated the greatest theft in history or some such bullshit (conveniently always failing to mention that he holds NO equity in OpenAI, despite how easy it would have been for him to do so).

Appreciated!

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by senordevnyc »

beering wrote: post #120
granzymes wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be helpful for you to clarify which part of the chain you found objectionable: - in 2015, OpenAI was founded as a Delaware nonprofit - in 2017, OpenAI discovered the scaling laws and realized they needed far more compute (and thus money) than they had initially anticipated - that discovery precipitated a series of negotiations between the founders on how to restructure OpenAI to raise more money for…

The OpenAI non-profit is now one of the biggest non-profits in dollar-denominated assets. If the goal was to make the non-profit really big and well-funded then that seems on track. But not clear to me what it would do to advance its mission.

They seem to think they need trillions in investment to reach AGI. Putting aside whether reaching AGI is feasible, it seems pretty clear how this move enables them to advance their mission, at least in their eyes.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by FeteCommuniste »

myst wrote: post #151
ethbr1 wrote: post #106

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This happened when business types realized technology could be enormously profitable (~PC era). Then inevitably, tech news turned into business news.

What do you get if you drop a teaspoon of business into a barrel of X? A barrel of business.

Maybe a little extreme but I love it.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by CuriouslyC »

sumedh wrote: post #159
CuriouslyC wrote: post #109

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Anthropic is the most hyped AI company now. Their models aren't the best, but their marketing sure is.

> Their models aren't the best the market has spoken, for coding they are the best.

The market has spoken: McDonald's makes the best hamburgers.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by 7thpower »

sumedh wrote: post #159
CuriouslyC wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic is the most hyped AI company now. Their models aren't the best, but their marketing sure is.

> Their models aren't the best the market has spoken, for coding they are the best.

Can you please define what “best” is and why the market is a measure for it.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by ralph84 »

estearum wrote: post #167
ralph84 wrote: post #121

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> enclosing the value created inside proprietary, investor-backed systems What do you think copyright does. Human culture is owned by humanity, not Disney or the New York Times.

It creates an incentive to create new things and share it with the world, duh. Do you ask the same question about why we patent drugs?

Walt Disney died 60 years ago. We don't need to incentivize him to do anything.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by cma »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #21

Why can't someone ask what happened in Ilya's mind. Firing Sam and then signing the solidarity letter of Sam to leave OpenAI if was fired. Other than that, all other information seems kind of just going over the surface.

Part of the counter was Microsoft was going to try and hire everyone individually, compensating for the lost stock appreciation, without the org itself, if they went through with maintaining the firing. I think that could have been much harder to pull off, but maybe they made them believe it was an inevitable outcome.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by sumedh »

7thpower wrote: post #175
sumedh wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their models aren't the best the market has spoken, for coding they are the best.

Can you please define what “best” is and why the market is a measure for it.

Money is the most honest transaction, if people are paying money to anthropic it means its solving their pain. Its the same reason OpenAI and others are copying Anthropic.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by estearum »

ralph84 wrote: post #176
estearum wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It creates an incentive to create new things and share it with the world, duh. Do you ask the same question about why we patent drugs?

Walt Disney died 60 years ago. We don't need to incentivize him to do anything.

Are you arguing that copyright lasts too long or that copyright shouldn't exist?

Your prior comment, "human culture is owned by humanity", sure sounds like the latter.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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Post by mattmaroon »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #97
throwaway_2494 wrote: post #34

I remember when computer magazines were aimed at programmers and had code listings in them. Then there seemed to come a time when all they talked about was the IBM vs. Microsoft lawsuit. From then on they must have felt that they had discovered a formula, because all they ever yapped about after was insider baseball of computer companies. I find this sort of corp. vs. corp. coverage boring, sort of like techie realit…

I dunno man, there are two "tech" industry worlds and the one you and I -- hacker types -- think of as "tech" is not what the rest of the world means. They mean the other one, which has almost nothing to do with the actual technology and instead everything to do with the absolutely apeshit amount of money, power, influence and intrigue that the technology enabled. This was a very large apeshit $$ amount back in IBM v…

I looked it up, MSFT’s market cap in 2005 was $278 billion and would be like $450 billion in today’s dollars.

OpenAI will IPO soon AI probably more like a trillion.

Crazy.

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