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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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https://www.getpanto.ai/blog/openclaw-ai-platform-statistics Because a solo dev has deployed to millions of people in less than eight months spending I believe zero dollars on marketing. We should all be so lucky to clown at this scale.

I'm sorry, where did you get millions of deployments? I see 300k+ Github stars, that have as much worth as a bookmarked page (why don't we count those too?). And 2 mil (alleged) website views, which is also moderately nothing.

It's big enough to get noticed by Anthropic. Your account will be immediately flagged off they get a whiff of you running OpenClaw.

I don't think they would do that unless this was widely deployed.

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Probably trying to fix their broken personal website with the half of the links there not working at all.

Is my website broken?

Ask your 15 codex accounts agents, surely they will help you with that.

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> The economy doesn't work like how you think it does. Its not central planning. I'm aware. That is in fact my central critique. The way it works is incredibly wasteful of our limited resources, as illustrated by this guy burning through fuel during a time of crisis for no perceptible gain. > It shows lack of intellectual curiosity to not engage deeply with obviously profound technology and what the implications are.…

> The way it works is incredibly wasteful of our limited resources You should try playing the game “workers and resources”; it’s a simcity like game, but based in the Soviet system of central planning, not capitalism. It will make you loathe the inefficiencies in central planning.

Market economies do not equal capitalism btw.

The appropriate comparison is command vs market. Capitalism is efficient in utilising the characteristics of humans to bring about expansion of markets.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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His team is basically him and two other humans, powering an ambitious well-known project so successful an industry titan ended up acquihiring him/them. That's pretty lean, no?

What’s ambitious about it? It’s a chatbot that glues APIs together.

How much does a SOUL.md cost?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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"All that automation allows us to run extremely lean" He has a different opinion of what it means to be lean than almost everyone else. That's fine, he's allowed to, but it's something you have to understand to make sense of any of his comments on things. He has a radically different set of values to most people.

His team is basically him and two other humans, powering an ambitious well-known project so successful an industry titan ended up acquihiring him/them. That's pretty lean, no?

The idea is lean, the execution is slop.

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You can hate it, but pretending it has no value isn’t a meaningful counter, esp given its user base. Gary Tan built GBrain on it. Poor logical fallacy-ing on your part.

And? The reality is if the thing can’t survive financially without being subsidised in the long run - it deserves to die. There is no trend showing that these expensive things exist in the long run in this manner. - it’s pure speculation and for many: hopes and dreams.

RIP Linux kernel then

Who knew it was that simple..?

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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His team is basically him and two other humans, powering an ambitious well-known project so successful an industry titan ended up acquihiring him/them. That's pretty lean, no?

What’s ambitious about it? It’s a chatbot that glues APIs together.

The ambitious idea is actually giving a chatbot/agent access to a bunch of personal data and having it self-modify its harness and context to some extent.

The execution in case of Openclaw is a hot mess.

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I 'd say he is an outstanding engineer as well. He may favor output over security more than outstanding engineers at 2025 but in the 2026 world what he does is impressive. And with OpenAI's resources he has turned OpenClaw's security woes around. Latest versions are much more secure than 2 months ago.

It’s not impressive. He’s a celebrity. Celebrities are not impressive

What? Many celebrities are so specifically because they're impressive. Athletes and musicians being the two most obvious examples.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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But it's a self fulfilling prophecy. They need all this stuff because it's a vibe coded app where bugs are randomly introduced, the architecture is overcomplicated and sucks, and stuff is just added for the fun of it. Do existing companies run entire end-to-end product integration tests on every single change they make to a repo to make sure something hasn't broken? No, they just architect things in a way such that a…

OpenClaw has surprisingly few "dumb" bugs. Is it as stable and secure as the Linux kernel? God no, obviously not. But it has never just crashed for me, for example. Bugs are of the type "X with Y and Z disabled and T turned on - doesn't work", where you're likely one of a few people that have ever tried this combination. Not to mention it can then debug itself and file a bug report, with a bugfix - if you give it a G…

For the few weeks in which I’ve been using it, it has brought down the Raspberry Pi it’s running on several times with extreme resource hogging, local history/memory search is broken due to a trivial bug for which all issues are auto-closed by bits, and it has changed its configuration standards a handful of times in a way that broke my instant messaging access to it, just to name a few gripes.

This is clearly an implementation and not a conceptual issue, as I had none of these issues using the same model with Hermes, for example.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Once you see how much crap they’re running to police the agents on the repo, you’ll ‘get’ the spend https://x.com/steipete/status/2055405041843052792 I won’t lie, if I had the access to this, I’d do the same exact thing.

Same mindset as Marc Andreessen when working on Mosaic: Design for infinite (Internet) bandwidth.

That’s an excellent way to lose to your competitor that knows and respects your users’ resource constraints.
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