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Existence, where you're just thrown out there to sink or swim and that's thats. If you're lucky you have parents and/or friends who can help you. If you're not, well... good luck!
Is that reaction to Dutch, German or French social support? Cause all three provide serious support and are the west.
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Is that reaction to Dutch, German or French social support? Cause all three provide serious support and are the west.
I didn't think that in Netherlands, Germany or France you can live like a normal person if you are, say, depressed or addicted to drugs and don't want to or can't work.
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What's the absolute worst thing Google could be doing with that analytics data?
Sell it to insurance companies, employers? Use it to target ads of snake oil to vulnerable people?
All they have is that there was a hit from an IP at a specific date and time. Any cookies they set will let them tell that the same browser came back an hour later - but won't let them join traffic together across multiple sites.
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Involuntary commitment. Happened to a good friend of mine during a nasty divorce, the husband made up a suicidal story and my friend was committed without the court appointing her a lawyer to defend herself. She's struggling to get her rights back, it is apparently possible, but they're gone forever until you spend a lot of money on lawyers so it's true it's not strictly the case you can't get them back but they defa…
Just curious, but did this person have a history of emotional lability plus previous (voluntary) outpatient treatment?
See also the jump seat pilot who tried to pull the fire handles on a commercial flight.
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I saw a LinkedIn thread just the other day that called it the "suicide prevention industrial complex," and that phrase will stick in my head like "orphan crushing machine" or "leopards eating faces"
What on earth is the "industrial complex" part about this? Outside of pharma pushing pills I'm not sure what other profit-seeking, recursive elements exist in the "suicide prevention industry". Legitimately curious about this - not sure how these words would apply.
"How many people came to our contact page, but left without calling the hotline?" "Don't know, boss. We'd need to add analytics." "Like what?" "Google Analytics? It's free and pretty much universal." "Ok, do it." It's just standard. Not great, and Google uses the data in all sorts of ways that they don't make obvious. But it's not a cabal of evil website owners selling data to tech giants. They're just trying to run…
At some point we have to get used to the idea that there are no such thing as free services. If you're not paying for something that clearly has a cost to the entity providing it, then value will be extracted from you in other ways.
Then we should get used to the idea that even when you're paying a lot of money for something the entity taking your money will still do everything and anything to extract even more value from you including collecting and selling your data, remotely disabling features of the thing you paid for so they can start charging you a monthly fee to get them back, aggressively infesting the product with ads, pushing updates that degrade the service to incentivize you to upgrade, etc.
The greed of companies and their shareholders will never be satisfied so ultimately what we need are real consumer protections in the form of powerful regulation and enforcement.
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I don't think that's the right way to consider your odds of involuntary committal. It really depends on what you say in the calls. The more immediate and serious the danger the more likely you are to be involuntary committed. The caller range is quite large.
So that means you have to watch what you say if you call such a line. That seems risky enough to discourage me from calling if I were in such a state.
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At some point we have to get used to the idea that there are no such thing as free services. If you're not paying for something that clearly has a cost to the entity providing it, then value will be extracted from you in other ways.
> If you're not paying for something that clearly has a cost to the entity providing it, then value will be extracted from you in other ways. Then we should get used to the idea that even when you're paying a lot of money for something the entity taking your money will still do everything and anything to extract even more value from you including collecting and selling your data, remotely disabling features of the th…
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The hotline is isn't "selling" the data. The hotline installed analytics software to help them do their job. Do "non-Western culture have a better solution to suicidality?
A quick sweep of the lowest 20 countries in suicide and the most obvious thing that can be teased out is they're by vast majority extremely conservative societies where family and religion (mostly Islam) would likely dominate the goals of any person living there (with a couple exceptions). Only about half of the lowest 10 have any sort of functional welfare or state support programs. I wonder if having a pretty rigid…
When the Netherlands was still Christian we did this too.
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So that means you have to watch what you say if you call such a line. That seems risky enough to discourage me from calling if I were in such a state.
Would you rather not try to help the people that obviously need help?
If they dispatch you to an institution you could lose your job just when you need money to pay for the bills you'll be sent.
With some careers, like being a pilot, you'd never be be to find another job.
You'd lose your ability to take out life insurance (even if it was a short temporary depression that you got over, like a side effect of a medication, the life insurance companies won't care.)
Or the institution's records could be hacked and you'll live in fear of your friends and family finding out.. which could cause rebound suicidal ideation...
There is no way I would ever call these hotlines unless it were 100% anonymous.