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Israel has done this to the Palestinians hundreds of times over since 1948.
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Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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I’m kind of confused, in that Israel is not that big in terms of population, about 10 million people; how much data and cloud do they need? The state of Pennsylvania is 13 million; would MSFT losing PA do them serious financial damage?
Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example. Part of their intelligence strategy, clearly, is advanced use of technology & data collection/mining/analytics. So they're gonna end up with a lot of data…
> As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example
I think if you're going to concoct some kind of per-capita metric of intelligence capabilities, you're likely correct. But their intelligence industry pales in size relative to that of the U.S. and couldn't exist as it does without support from the U.S. and American companies (as we've seen with Lavender and Nimbus). American companies providing services they would otherwise have to develop in-house certainly contributes to their capacity for conducting what most would consider black-hat activities, including gathering intelligence on Americans and goings-on in the U.S., sometimes even of American politicians, in order to manipulate the American political environment to their favour.
I'm not aware of U.S. big tech providing such extensive services to any other country whose behaviour is so similar to that of the officially designated American foreign adversaries
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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Honestly it's difficult for me to respond to this comment because the premise is so clearly flawed. A semblance of civilian life does not mean genocide did not or is not taking place. Wholesale population displacement, destruction of a significant percentage of civilian structures, bombings, raids, land and sea blockades, statements from leaders that suggest genocidal intent... these point in the other direction. Wou…
Wholesale population displacement is explicitly not (by itself) genocide under the convention. Genocide is an intent crime, and the intent has to be the eradication of the targeted ethnic, national, racial, or religious group. Kidnapping all the children in an occupied territory and dispersing them so they can't be returned to their families is genocidal. Mass displacement isn't. The fixation on the term "genocide" h…
> and the intent has to be the eradication of the targeted ethnic, national, racial, or religious group
Your use of the word "eradication" suggests total annihilation, but genocide refers to the destruction of such a targeted group in whole or in part.
You might argue that this can be vague and would allow any ethnic cleansing to be described as a genocide; in fact this is a point of contention among genocide scholars.
Certainly we'd both agree that Israel as a whole is carrying out at least partial destruction of the Palestinian people residing in Palestine, and that many Israeli politicians are calling for total or near-total destruction, many IDF soldiers conduct themselves accordingly, and their military actions involve indiscriminate killing/maiming often enough that there is a strong case their eventual goal is total or near-total destruction.
Put another way, there is no compelling argument that Israel conducts itself, in its extensive operations in Gaza/West Bank, with any goal of Palestinians eventually living freely there.
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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Being anti-israel is not the same as being anti-semetic. That's a low-effort low-intelligence "argument" people throw out to quickly stamp out dissent against Israel, and it doesn't work anymore. It's been overused, get new material. Israel probably does not leak secrets to Russia or China, but Israel is a bad ally of the US and has gotten us in a lot of hot water. It would be better for the US if we just let them fi…
> Israel probably does not leak secrets to Russia or China Israel did, for decades. Just google it.
Provide a credible link or gtfo.
Btw I have no love for Israel, but "just google it" is an uninformative, unhelpful comment
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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Thanks for the link, I didn't realize the EFF spent their money on such things. I honestly thought they focused on free speech/privacy/open source. I'm not trying to argue pro Israel or what not, I just wish they'd focus on their core mission.
Freedom is literally in their name. Can it be more core than that?
Unless I'm missing something, it literally is not?
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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I’m kind of confused, in that Israel is not that big in terms of population, about 10 million people; how much data and cloud do they need? The state of Pennsylvania is 13 million; would MSFT losing PA do them serious financial damage?
When you're doing mass surveilance, including storing every single phone call, of a population of 6 million people, storage needs tend to pile up quite fast.
Plus most other governments buying the tech as well, I don't think the domestic market has much relevancy here.
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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Israel is essentially fighting wars on multiple fronts at all times. Since they are so small and vulnerable, they have to lean more on intelligence. As a result they have the most advanced intelligence apparatus in the world, far beyond US intelligence for example. Part of their intelligence strategy, clearly, is advanced use of technology & data collection/mining/analytics. So they're gonna end up with a lot of data…
They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.
Which is mostly on Lebanon and Syria, because they are the aggressors here. Or in case of Lebanon the largest militant group known to exist. Perhaps they aren't the largest any more since the latest war, but they are still formidable.
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They're mass surveilling the vulnerable Palestinians they're genociding, and now turning their eyes toward Lebanon and Syria.
Which is mostly on Lebanon and Syria, because they are the aggressors here. Or in case of Lebanon the largest militant group known to exist. Perhaps they aren't the largest any more since the latest war, but they are still formidable.
No they're not the aggressors. Let's stop with the victim blaming.
Re: Microsoft Israel chief leaves amid ethical controversy
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> Israel probably does not leak secrets to Russia or China Israel did, for decades. Just google it.
Provide a credible link or gtfo. Btw I have no love for Israel, but "just google it" is an uninformative, unhelpful comment
Literally just google "Israel transfer US military secrets to Russia and China". Then read the AI overview and the first page of results. That's it. I mean it's hard to be in denial when information is so available.