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Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by herbst »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #5

Definitely gives me second thoughts about getting one. They look like easiest way to get into 3d printing as a tool (rather than another hobby), but their recent attitude just makes me think I should suffer a bit less advanced product just to not have to deal with that shit.

Honestly I don't regret going with Bambu. Yes they suck in a way I get it. However the time and money I spent into my ender to keep it barely alive is all wasted compared to these machines that just run perfectly out of the package.

Sure prusa is fine too, and other brands might are getting there too. But if you want to print as a tool I would recommend to just use the tool nearly everyone is agreeing on.

I didn't regret it once, and have 3 printers at this point (2 of which free thanks to Bambu points)

Also I am still amazed that my $150 A1 mini is basically just as good as the X2D or P2S.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by isityettime »

starkparker wrote: post #148
preuceian wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others. I dont see how he is “like many others”. A lot of YouTubers cover controversy for controversy sake, or just as material for another sponsored video. He does not do sponsored content, and usually seems to push for something concrete around consumer rights. So I think the comparison to other drama Youtubers is unfair. In my view, the drama is more a way to draw attention…

Favoring emotion over facts while advocating for a cause is still a sugar high of advocacy, regardless of the cause's righteousness. A short burst quickly forgotten, with a chance of discrediting what you're trying to advocate if the facts aren't right. Even amongst YouTubers, you can favor facts over emotions (without discarding emotion!) and be a more effective advocate who arms others with both motivation and usef…

I don't follow Rossman very closely but I am familiar with his grumpy, griping style. To be clear, is the claim here that his advocacy work frequently features factual errors, or just that his presentation is too emotive?

Aside: What does "facts over emotion" mean? Aren't facts and emotions orthogonal?

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by preuceian »

starkparker wrote: post #148
preuceian wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rossman is a drama YouTuber, like many others. I dont see how he is “like many others”. A lot of YouTubers cover controversy for controversy sake, or just as material for another sponsored video. He does not do sponsored content, and usually seems to push for something concrete around consumer rights. So I think the comparison to other drama Youtubers is unfair. In my view, the drama is more a way to draw attention…

Favoring emotion over facts while advocating for a cause is still a sugar high of advocacy, regardless of the cause's righteousness. A short burst quickly forgotten, with a chance of discrediting what you're trying to advocate if the facts aren't right. Even amongst YouTubers, you can favor facts over emotions (without discarding emotion!) and be a more effective advocate who arms others with both motivation and usef…

Rossmann is still relevant and to my knowledge has not discredited his cause. Your comment about him needing to get his facts right or risking irrelevance is wishful thinking and clearly not reflective of the reality of his impact on Right to Repair legislation (if you are suggesting that he does not get his facts right).

Technology Connections is an educational channel that occasionally offers political commentary. Telling his audience to vote is a call to action, but not the same as organizing. Rossmann is an organizer who engages with policymakers. To treat them as being on the same level is to misunderstand what they are each doing.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by croes »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

So did the situation change to the better?

If not, why should he stop?

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by Forgeties79 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #86
sillysaurusx wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet he’s having an effect. Are either of you pledging $10k to defend hackers in court? I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. It’s literally the hacker spirit in the classical sense: a big company is trying to legally threaten a project offline, and people like Louis are helping prevent that. You could at least throw in a “it’s cool that he’s pledging money” before insulting h…

> I can hardly believe headlines like these are met with anything but cheers. My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating. He appeals to a certain audience that likes rage over proper discourse. I am fairly certain the HN etiquette prefers proper discourse over rage.

> My point is that I have an issue with his tone and rhetoric, not with the thing he’s advocating.

This is often a hand wavy excuse by people who simply don’t agree with a cause and/or think it’s not important, but won’t admit it. If you don’t think what he is advocating for is important just say so. If you do, support him. You can’t possibly believe he’s so out of line that it’s worth prioritizing that opinion over the cause itself.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by deepsun »

> its cloud servers were inundated with roughly 30 million “unauthorized” requests per day.

So make it possible to connect directly to printer over LAN? Prusa supports that, you can use the printer without ever connecting it to internet.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by NotCamelCase »

UncleMeat wrote: post #126
exitb wrote: post #112

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It’s like the best you can hope for your small hobby YouTube channel is to graduate to general outrage.

All hail the mighty algorithm.

Medium always is the message, eventually.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by sevenzero »

antoniojtorres wrote: post #111
the_biot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

I have trouble understanding how the opinions of the historical right to repair guy are surprising or even considered drama, it’s not drama because it’s not interpersonal gossip, it’s right to repair activism.

Yup agree, it's not drama it's literally us vs "them", with "them" being greedy ass corps making our lifes worse on the daily.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

jchw wrote: post #66

I made the tragic mistake of getting a Bambu printer (an X1C, with AMS even...) right before they gave all of us the middle finger. I now have it offline, running out of date firmware, connected to a special WiFi network that is isolated from the Internet. That upset me, but now I'm pissed. Now I don't even care about their stupid printers. Now I'd like to waste Bambu Lab's time and cause problems for them. And also,…

But.. the good news is that any future potential buyers ( like me ) know to avoid that particular vendor. The issue, as it appears to be common lately, is that the number of buyers gets smaller and smaller as regulatory frameworks get more and more onerous. Otoh, I am more than happy to lend a helping hand. This is probably as good of a fight as it gets.

Re: Louis Rossmann offers to pay legal fees for a threatened OrcaSlicer developer

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Post by sh79 »

the_biot wrote: post #45
exabrial wrote: post #26

Louis is one of the most passionate YouTubers you can watch. I don't think he gets it right 100% of the time, but when you are that vulnerable (and what appears to be authentic) you're bound to not make the the right call every once in awhile (as we all do). I support him even though people can pick him apart.

As a matter of fact he's a never-ending source of drama and outrage, all of which are his own opinions. His repair channel isn't even about repair anymore, it's all drama, all the time. I can hardly believe people fall for his shtick anymore.

What a shallow take. Activism isn't "drama". Maybe the problem is just that cynicism has rotted your frame of reference.
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