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Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by epistasis »

scuppernong wrote: post #157
jandrewrogers wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was avoidable. Over $100B of new production capacity in the US alone has been in the works for years. The usual "environmental and community concerns" lawsuits and activism that plagues building in the US has delayed almost every single one of these projects by multiple years. NIMBYs and degrowth activists own this particular "market failure". The companies have been trying to invest in capacity ahead of demand…

there is no serious degrowth movement in the US. absolutely delusional to pin anything, positive or negative, on them.

Agreed on the insignificance of the degrowth moevement on seriousness. However there is a serious NIMBY movement, and the degrowth movement provides the moral cover for a lot of very selfish people that are not serious about degrowth but wish to accomplish the same goals for individual projects near them.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by wredcoll »

lazide wrote: post #162
hephaes7us wrote: post #139

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If you don't see people talking about the "end of personal vehicles", it could just be that you haven't looked very hard. It's intuitively obvious to a lot of people that the era of personal, wholly owned transportation is waning. A lot of people seem to miss the second clause of that old "you'll own nothing" phase, the part where most people are happy about it! When vehicles drive themselves, and there's a large eno…

If this was really an economically viable plan, we’d all just take taxis everywhere. And some do. Most don’t, for the same reasons self driving doesn’t matter.

It wasn't economically viable 20 years ago.

What about 20 years in the future?

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by [deleted] »

markhahn wrote: post #121
_zoltan_ wrote: post #88

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DWPD was the boogey man 10 years ago. everybody worried about it. now, nobody cares. I have over 500 NVMe drives in our deployment and the drive deaths are not due to wear.

then either your drives are overprovisioned or read-mostly. it's not that hard to hit 300 cycles on flash.

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Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by overfeed »

ericd wrote: post #114
dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

Are things too expensive now, or was that miraculously cheap because of a glut of supply relative to demand at the time? I think my first SSD was something like $600 for 160 gigs, one of those intel drives that came with a speed demon sticker, so let's appreciate what we have for a sec. Or we could go back to 5 megs of spinning rust for $thousands. Things will normalize, semis are a boom and bust industry, and it tak…

> If this stuff stays this expensive/profitable, industry will grow capacity to boost earnings until they overshoot, there's not some grand conspiracy to make you rent everything

Production cartels exist to prevent individual greed from "ruining" it for the rest of the group. OPEC does it in the overtly, memory manufactures do it covertly, and have been convicted of conspiring in multiple jurisdictions, on multiple occasions.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by lazide »

wredcoll wrote: post #172
lazide wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this was really an economically viable plan, we’d all just take taxis everywhere. And some do. Most don’t, for the same reasons self driving doesn’t matter.

It wasn't economically viable 20 years ago. What about 20 years in the future?

It’ll be outcompeted by flying cars of course.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by throwaway67743 »

cm2187 wrote: post #126
hikarudo wrote: post #97

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It's not a market failure, it's just supply and demand. There are many computer components competing for the same resources (fabs, wafers). Demand for GPUs, RAM etc. has increased a lot due to AI, but supply is still the same due to new fabs being huge investments that take years to build. Of course the price goes up.

Also my understanding is that a lot of the suppliers remain skeptical / prudent about the long term demand from AI. Not their first boom/bust cycle.

Or their continued collective inability to predict or manage supply and demand, it happens repeatedly and previous events were very minor in comparison... The other obvious reason is profiteering but pretty much impossible to prove.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by cm2187 »

throwaway67743 wrote: post #176
cm2187 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also my understanding is that a lot of the suppliers remain skeptical / prudent about the long term demand from AI. Not their first boom/bust cycle.

Or their continued collective inability to predict or manage supply and demand, it happens repeatedly and previous events were very minor in comparison... The other obvious reason is profiteering but pretty much impossible to prove.

They are public companies, their bottom line isn't exactly secret. The only company that is really squeezing the market in term of prices is nvidia and they aren't the production bottleneck.

By the way, interesting podcast on that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDG_Hx3BSUE

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by ericd »

overfeed wrote: post #174
ericd wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are things too expensive now, or was that miraculously cheap because of a glut of supply relative to demand at the time? I think my first SSD was something like $600 for 160 gigs, one of those intel drives that came with a speed demon sticker, so let's appreciate what we have for a sec. Or we could go back to 5 megs of spinning rust for $thousands. Things will normalize, semis are a boom and bust industry, and it tak…

> If this stuff stays this expensive/profitable, industry will grow capacity to boost earnings until they overshoot, there's not some grand conspiracy to make you rent everything Production cartels exist to prevent individual greed from "ruining" it for the rest of the group. OPEC does it in the overtly, memory manufactures do it covertly, and have been convicted of conspiring in multiple jurisdictions, on multiple o…

Good point re cartels. But I still don’t think there’s a shadowy group trying to make owning things impossible for normal people as an explicit goal.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by reenorap »

In the fall, I bought a 4TB OWC Thunderbolt 5 external SSD for my Mac Studio 512 GB for $500. It was cheaper and faster than any other solution. Now the price of both have at least doubled. I've seen Mac Studio M3 Ultra 512 GB go for $20k+ but I don't know if those are real prices or scams. We are going on 6 years of global supply crunches, I'm really getting sick of it!

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by Modified3019 »

walrus01 wrote: post #156
dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

I remember buying a 80GB Intel SATA SSD (which was $450 USD at the time) and putting it into the DVD drive bay in a 2009 17" Macbook Pro. At the time there was no official SSD support, but there was an aluminum holder you could buy to remove the slimline slot loading DVD drive, and put a 2.5" form factor (7.5 or 9.5mm?) height SSD or HDD in its place. Was a huge performance increase for the OS/boot drive.

I just bought a few more Intel 310 Series 40GB mSATA ssd’s on eBay for $10 each. They are ancient and comparatively slow, but reliable and extremely low power, so much so they can be perfectly powered by a USB 2.0 port in an enclosure if needed, and don’t need a heat sink. My original 80GB version ($190) that I put in my W520 thinkpad in 2011 is still going strong.

Basically I like to use them as a cheap “better” thumb drive, putting ventoy on them with no concern for space, along with a fat32 partition for bios updates.

These along with a nanoKVM box my siblings can attach to the computers I built for them makes remote troubleshooting relatively painless when rustdesk isn’t sufficient.

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