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1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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Tesla has also offered their FSD to other companies, with no takers: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-fsd-licensin... However, Tesla hasn't achieved anywhere near the autonomy of Waymo, so that may be the main sticking point.

nobody trusts non-lidar except tesla buyers

Not sure even they do. If I bought a Tesla it would be as an EV with usable range, not anything I would ever hope would be self-driving. That bridge was burned a while ago.

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I was 100% FSD today. Went to the office, ran some errands, went home. Never touched the steering wheel once. 2026 Model S Plaid.

It does look to an outside non-Tesla-owning observer, like it's getting there sometimes, but do you think it is? Or is it just plateauing?

Honestly, the best thing to do is go on a free test drive and evaluate for yourself. I don’t see it ever hitting 100%, but I don’t find myself needing to take over under normal conditions.

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Vinyl, for whatever continuing reason, often does sound better than digital formats but only because it’s mastered with more care. It could be that it’s physically impossible to master vinyl for extreme loudness, but whatever the reason is you can absolutely pick up a vinyl copy of an album and find it sounds much better than the streamed or CD version.

as a former apprentice sound engineer, I just don't believe that. If you play your media on a decent NS-10 like speaker with a fairly good amp, you'll have pretty much what the mastering engineered mastered on. Even tape has a better dynamic range than vinyl. Its like lomo photography, it does one thing very well, but is terrible for anything else. Yes it might sound pleasing, but it sucks for classical, anything wit…

I agree that vinyl is technically worse than others modern formats, but it often gets mastered with greater care and therefore can sound better than CD or other digital formats.

Read this thorough rundown of one of the more famously over compressed albums where the vinyl release has better sound than even the 24 bit release: https://buttondown.com/rhcpsessions/archive/me-and-my-friend...

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Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.

For me it has a very specific meaning: "Full" means "Unsupervised and without a geofence". Anything less is not Full Self Driving.

If someone is legally restricted from leaving their home town, does that mean they're not able to fully self drive a car?

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Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.

> Full compared to what? Tesla set their own benchmark, their own goal posts, and their own timelines. In 2016 Tesla said, "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." : https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s... https://web.archive…

Some advice if you want to be intellectually satiated, I would suggest disregarding any forward-looking statements by any company executives. You'll find life to be a lot less emotionally draining.

You can change the subject to the hyperbole and spin by Elon Musk, that's fine. Just be aware that's what you're doing. You're changing the subject. I do understand this cult of anti-personality, but I'm only interested in the technology (made by thousands of people whose name is not Elon) in customer hands right now and not about past promises. Right now, their FSD technology stack looks fairly impressive.

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> Full compared to what? Tesla set their own benchmark, their own goal posts, and their own timelines. In 2016 Tesla said, "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." : https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s... https://web.archive…

Some advice if you want to be intellectually satiated, I would suggest disregarding any forward-looking statements by any company executives. You'll find life to be a lot less emotionally draining. You can change the subject to the hyperbole and spin by Elon Musk, that's fine. Just be aware that's what you're doing. You're changing the subject. I do understand this cult of anti-personality, but I'm only interested in…

The subject hasn't changed. The subject is Tesla's full self-driving is not, in fact, full self-driving.

It wasn't 10 years ago and it still isn't now.

If you are unable to admit to the practical reality of that then you are not interested in technology.

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Ford is going to eat their lunch if they come in at 30K with their "skunkworks" EV

Until the dealers tack on another $30k in BS fees.

That sounds realistic

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Some advice if you want to be intellectually satiated, I would suggest disregarding any forward-looking statements by any company executives. You'll find life to be a lot less emotionally draining. You can change the subject to the hyperbole and spin by Elon Musk, that's fine. Just be aware that's what you're doing. You're changing the subject. I do understand this cult of anti-personality, but I'm only interested in…

The subject hasn't changed. The subject is Tesla's full self-driving is not, in fact, full self-driving. It wasn't 10 years ago and it still isn't now. If you are unable to admit to the practical reality of that then you are not interested in technology.

You changed the subject. If you cannot see this, perhaps ask an LLM to explain it to you.

As for the actual subject, your opinion on the semantic question is noted. I did ask, I suppose.

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For me it has a very specific meaning: "Full" means "Unsupervised and without a geofence". Anything less is not Full Self Driving.

If someone is legally restricted from leaving their home town, does that mean they're not able to fully self drive a car?

Yes. If they're restricted they do not have full driving rights. This is of course relative to other drivers. If nobody from your country is allowed to drive in a different country for political reasons or something then not being able to drive there doesn't mean you lack full driving rights. Even someone who has a breathalyzer built into their car doesn't have their full driving rights.

Re: 1966 Ford Mustang Converted into a Tesla with Working 'Full Self-Driving'

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It's been a year or two since I drove a Tesla, but in FSD mode it insisted I at least touch the steering wheel regularly.

Modern refreshed models use an eye tracking camera.

The steering wheel sensor could be defeated by taping a water bottle to the wheel. The eye tracking is supposed to be harder to defeat, although I wonder if it would accept a mannequin in the driver seat.
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