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Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Post by holistio »

epolanski wrote: post #115
_the_inflator wrote: post #31

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Despite China, IT development is a complete disaster in Germany. All car so called German car manufacturers UX/UI is horrible to say the least. Dieter Rams is the only UX/UI designer, who became famous - outside of Germany. Hartmut Esslinger kind of popularized DR, what an irony, that two Germans made history, but of course not in Germany and even in Germany DR wasn't well known. Braun was a brand and statement, but…

Apple Car and Android Auto are on VW cars since a decade. Comments about this dreadful UI/UX on german cars feels really decade old. In any case I rent cars quite often, mostly get Korean, Japanese and German cars with few rare US ones, and I really don't see those differences across the board software wise. They all suck, they are all slow, clunky and unintuitive.

They are all like TVs. The native interface sucks, you plug Apple in and it's suddenly good.

I have never used the native UI of my Samsung Frame. I haven't used any car's own navigation or music app in at least a decade.

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Post by aenis »

eptcyka wrote: post #164
aenis wrote: post #121

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Call me old school, but I'd like a physical master switch to disable all of the systems you mentioned. I drive a lot, and often in rented cars, and in various countries. - automatic braking - i brake gently and then do a limousine stop. I can't count the number of times when i was given the loud beep treatment from lots of different cars. I never rear ended anyone in about 1.2m kms driven. - active lane keeping - aud…

Radar guided cruise is bae, and has nothing to do with lane keeping - the steering is left up to the driver.

True, though on the volvo its the defaut - when you hit the cruise control button, it automatically enables both the lane keeping and the adaptive cruise control. Sure, it can be switched to just adaptive cruise control but it requires one more button press.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

b112 wrote: post #139
aenis wrote: post #101

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Yes, you are right. All my power tools (from Makita, Milwuakee, Festool) have absolutely phenomenal UI - so there are still corners of industrial design where the dark patterns/attention grabbing product people haven't ventured. They should be brought back to car companies.

And I bet they were let go, when they tried to cite why all this change to no-buttons, attention-grabbing was wrong. Upper management loves the "but everyone else is doing it" mentality, even if their mom would smack them aside the head for such logic.

Reminds me of the Boeing story.

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Post by maxvij »

That’s another good step. I wrote about this last week https://www.maxvanijsselmuiden.nl/blog/touch-screens-everywh...>. Touch screens are an unsuitable form of interaction because of the implicit requirement to ‘watch what you are doing’, inherently slower and more dangerous to use in a car.

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Post by hnlmorg »

weaksauce wrote: post #169
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> What do you think the best implementation would look like? Seems it would still have to strike a balance. Somehow a small amber light (in the shape of a fuel pump) and a chime has worked for decades and there haven't been hordes of drivers stranded as a result. Something your grandmother could easily understand. 10-15 year old cars maybe give an additional small information message in the cluster easily dismissible…

> Sadly marketing drones think everybody wants a Tesla-style "everything is a screen" design whereas a 1999 Toyota pretty much had it right. they also had to redesign the door handle and people have gotten stuck in the cars because of that and died. not just one isolated incident... more than one case of the car door not working because it's electrical only and the backup physical release mechanism is under a door pa…

What the fsck possessed manufacturers to come up with that stupid recessed door handle? I think I might actually hate that more than touch screen climate controls.

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

throw848tjfj wrote: post #45
riffraff wrote: post #8

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I hadn't heard of this china regulation. Perhaps we will have a "Beijing regulatory effect" positively impacting the world like the Bruxelles and California ones.

Already happening, best example is worldwide grounding of Boeing 737 MAX. It was China who triggered it, not US authorities (protecting US corporation). Similar thing with batteries on airplanes, tube trains, ferries and underground garages. China cares about fire hazard, other countries care about ideology.

China glazing on HN, wow what a suprise!

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Post by maxvij »

aenis wrote: post #47

'He also explained that "I'm a big believer in screens, because I really believe if you want to connect, you have to make the magic work behind the screen." ' I am a big believer in keeping "product people" away from UI design for dangerous machinery. The eyes and the attention of the driver should be on the road. All the audio visual noise from the car is just plain dangerous. I don't want my car to draw my attentio…

It seems almost as if the car manufacturers don’t have guardrails in place to check for the implications of any software design change. I agree with you here… It’s frustrating.

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Post by Barbing »

Barbing wrote: post #74
aenis wrote: post #47

'He also explained that "I'm a big believer in screens, because I really believe if you want to connect, you have to make the magic work behind the screen." ' I am a big believer in keeping "product people" away from UI design for dangerous machinery. The eyes and the attention of the driver should be on the road. All the audio visual noise from the car is just plain dangerous. I don't want my car to draw my attentio…

The low fuel, low wiper fluid, and forward collision warnings sound like they were all implemented a little clumsily. What do you think the best implementation would look like? Seems it would still have to strike a balance. It's dangerous to tell the driver they're low on fuel if we distract them. But it's also dangerous for a driver to run out of fuel on the highway if we didn't catch their attention. Also guessing…

Glad I asked, y’all are great, thanks

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Post by donkyrf »

BrentOzar wrote: post #56
donkyrf wrote: post #42

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My 992.2 has AA/CarPlay, and an outstanding user interface, with a nice mix of configurable displays and physical buttons. Fairly certain it is a top 100 product in it's market.

The cup holder situation, on the other hand… (992.1 owner)

I've had to give up drinking trenta-sized Starbucks entirely.
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