The biggest differentiator for me: DeepSeek just does what I ask. I've tried using both GPT and Claude for reverse engineering recently, both refused. I even got a warning on my OpenAI account.
DeepSeek V4 – almost on the frontier
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Have you given GLM 5.1 or Kimi K2.6 a shot for coding? They outperform Deepseek v4 pro.
Glm5.1 is fantastic for me. But that could be how I use it, I don't ask it to build entire apps or entire features, instead asking it to build piecemeal functionality. For that it compares very well to chatgpt 5.4 (I haven't extensively tried 5.5, it might be better, might be same). I have given deepseekv4 pro a try but not much more than a try, as it performed subpar on 4 tasks in a row (missing the obvious/intended…
Are frontier models capable of building something only with general directions now?
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#173[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/openai-accuses-deepseek-...
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#174The biggest differentiator for me: DeepSeek just does what I ask. I've tried using both GPT and Claude for reverse engineering recently, both refused. I even got a warning on my OpenAI account.
> I even got a warning on my OpenAI account. This is kind of terrifying to me, regularly. No real manner of recourse to normal people without a following, potential exclusion from real fundamental tooling. Imagine OpenAI goes on to buy 20 companies and now you cant use Figma, Next, whatever just because you once tripped some very foggy line somehow. Not just OpenAI but the entire ecosystem is so... hard to read. I wa…
Don't worry, you can just make your own Figma, Next, whatever if you have some thousand dollars worth of tokens. This is at least what all of the AI thought leaders have been telling me for the past couple of years.
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#175The biggest differentiator for me: DeepSeek just does what I ask. I've tried using both GPT and Claude for reverse engineering recently, both refused. I even got a warning on my OpenAI account.
"A Dark-Money Campaign Is Paying Influencers to Frame Chinese AI as a Threat" - https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...
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They're probably worried about liability. Let's say that Oracle finds out you reverse engineered their DB using Gemini. You can be sure they will sue Google. Not just for providing the tools, but you could make the argument that it's actually Gemini doing the reverse engineering, and on Google's hardware no less.
Let's say that Oracle finds out you reverse engineered their DB using IDA Pro. Would you expect Oracle to sue Hex Rays? I don't understand why everything changes as soon as an LLM is involved. An LLM is just software.
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We have an enterprise cursor account so I can try all the mainstream models. Using composer 2 on our own code which I obviously have the source code for I couldn't get it to turn on a debug flag to bypass license checks while I was troubleshooting something. Infuriating. It was like that old Patrick from SpongeBob meme. I don't understand why we would turn the models into law enforcement officers. Things that are ill…
They're probably worried about liability. Let's say that Oracle finds out you reverse engineered their DB using Gemini. You can be sure they will sue Google. Not just for providing the tools, but you could make the argument that it's actually Gemini doing the reverse engineering, and on Google's hardware no less.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's say that Oracle finds out you reverse engineered their DB using IDA Pro. Would you expect Oracle to sue Hex Rays? I don't understand why everything changes as soon as an LLM is involved. An LLM is just software.
If they thought they would succeed, no doubt oracle would sue. I expect bad behavior from multinationals, especially oracle
Re: DeepSeek V4 – almost on the frontier
#179The credit for DeepSeek, in part, goes to US companies such as OpenAI [1] and DeepSeek [2]. Portions of DeepSeek are based on their products. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/openai-accuses-deepseek-... [2] https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2025997928242811253
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#180For me, this is a real alternative after I cancel my github copilot towards the end of the month..