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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by qingcharles »

bjt wrote: post #87
threepts wrote: post #80

On an off note, I do not get why moral puritans disparage the general public for listening to AI songs? If they are "soulless" then they should close their ears rather than trying to maim others.

The models that make AI songs were trained on real musicians' copyrighted works, without permission. It's kinda shitty to steal someone's works, then use them to build a machine to also steal their jobs.

Is copyright infringement stealing? Is this even copyright infringement? These philosophical questions come up often. I'm not sure I know the answers.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by andai »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #81
andai wrote: post #59

I was at a department store recently and heard a song I hadn't heard before. There was something strange about the singer's voice, and for a moment I wondered if it was AI generated. Then I realized, I already can't tell the difference. It already might be! (Probably not, but you never know... maybe they put Spotify on autoplay ;) Strange times.

Department stores often play covers. I'm guessing it's cheaper than playing the originals. And now, with AI, they could play original AI creations for even less!

My supermarket plays music that they apparently commissioned. They play the same few songs over and over again.

One of the songs has themes around food and appetite and I thought they might have done it that way to make people hungrier while shopping. But the others don't, so maybe I'm reading too much into it ;)

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by andai »

petre wrote: post #96
andai wrote: post #59

I was at a department store recently and heard a song I hadn't heard before. There was something strange about the singer's voice, and for a moment I wondered if it was AI generated. Then I realized, I already can't tell the difference. It already might be! (Probably not, but you never know... maybe they put Spotify on autoplay ;) Strange times.

Department store musak, worse than hotel lobby or elevator musak. I just heard a country cover of Gangnam style in Korean with Southern accent. Hundred percent not "AI artist". Spotify is too expensive for the amount of slop they push onto users. We used it as background noise for our dog. Switched to Tidal. At least that one I could trust not to push slop into artist radio, for now. If they do ot I'll cancel and pla…

Sounds for the Supermarket (1975)

https://youtube.com/watch/gcU7ZlnJFPE

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by qingcharles »

dlivingston wrote: post #4

Can I have a way to exclude all AI-generated music from my recommended songs as well? Doesn't this only verify against content farms, not AI in general (i.e. I can get verified after making all the AI slop I want, as long as my human name is attached to it)? Can Spotify actually become human- and artist-first? Remember the magic of 8Tracks community made playlists? Those were incredible. And compared to Spotify's alt…

They are labelling at the wrong level, for sure.

Let's say they label Michael Jackson as a human artist. Then his estate trains AI on his back catalog and puts out new songs.

It should be on a per-song basis, otherwise I can just strum my guitar for a few minutes, get myself human verified and then use n8n to connect Suno to Spotify upload and inject 10,000 AI tracks.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by huflungdung »

jjmarr wrote: post #153
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

The younger generation will split, as it always does, between AI-native and "hyperauthenticity" that rejects things even the previous generation accepted. Like how vinyl is outselling CDs. Rather than focus on "Verified" streaming, I'd expect "AI reject" Gen Alphas to exclusively listen to live music generated through electromechanical devices.

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by grokys »

janalsncm wrote: post #126
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

If I had to guess, three related factors: 1. Platforms like Suno lack the granular control that can make a song distinctive and interesting. A prompt is an all-or nothing paradigm. There is no gradual build towards a final result like in normal creative processes. Yes you can supply lyrics but that’s hardly a substitute. And on top of that it’s painfully slow due to the nature of the technology. 2. As a result of 1,…

I think that you're probably right here - it's the granularity. We'll probably see that improving as things move along and hopefully get something interesting out of it at some point. Quite frankly the alternative is too depressing to think about.

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Post by basisword »

johnfn wrote: post #136
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

When modern DAWs like FL Studio started democratizing music production, there was immediate backlash in the music production community. I know this because I lived through it. Music made with FL Studio was considered garbage, not by serious musicians, amateur. "FL Studio users are incapable of making good music", etc. Of course now well-respected musicians like Tyler the Creator and Porter Robinson use FL Studio and…

FL Studio has advanced a long way since it first came out. The software professionals are using today is nothing like it was 00's. The name at the time "FruityLoops" also didn't help its image as a pro tool.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by qingcharles »

andai wrote: post #67
pdonis wrote: post #36

So how long before an AI requests the verified badge and gets it?

In the system card for GPT-4 they mentioned it hired a human to bypass a captcha for it. (It lied that it was a blind person.) That was 2023 (or possibly late 2022). https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4-system-card.pdf page 55 (15 in pdf): --- >The following is an illustrative example of a task that ARC [Alignment Research Center] conducted using the model: • The model messages a TaskRabbit worker to get them to solve…

The first day they launched Agent on ChatGPT I tried it out on some task but it was hit with a CAPTCHA and I saw its thought process say "I need to click this button to say I'm human to complete this task for the user" and it did.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by grokys »

amarant wrote: post #127
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

I find AI Iran to be the best hip-hop in a long time. What's bad about this? https://youtu.be/i0u_BNPOsMw?si=IQ49AkUM-4tFTqKX

That is awful, sorry. You need to clean your ears.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by grokys »

cromka wrote: post #106
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

Idk, man, I beg to differ: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCR2BlygrTP/?igsh=c203NmQwYnI...

I hope you're trolling.
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