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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #164
prepend wrote: post #140

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How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? It seems like you must have some human involvement to train and monitor. It’s a terrible job, I wouldn’t want to do it, but someone needs to. Perhaps one day, AI will be accurate enough to not need it, but even then you need someone to process complaints and waivers (like someone’s home photos being inaccurately flagged).

CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

Yep. If you cannot both safely and legally provide the thing you are selling you are no longer a legitimate company you are a criminal enterprise profiting off of exploitation.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by bell-cot »

voidUpdate wrote: post #38
OutOfHere wrote: post #31

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What are the reasonable and legitimate uses of smart glasses with cameras in that can record without the subject being aware?

If the "subject" is human, those seem rather few. Surgeries come to mind, though smart glasses would be more a convenience there. Maybe some psychiatric patients, where a doctor wants to review snippets of his interactions with lower-level staff or his family members? Law enforcement trying to record interactions between informants and targeted criminals - though the latter might wise up pretty quick. Security staff at some very-high-security facilities.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by everdrive »

randallsquared wrote: post #144
everdrive wrote: post #90

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I'm not sure I understand the point about a dedicate "selfie" camera, however I think we're conflating "percentage of users" with "varieties of use cases." I think there could be quite a cornucopia of potential use cases, but I think per capita most people will not actually be making use of these. As other commenters have pointed out, I'd be a lot more tolerant if the data were not constantly piped to Meta.

The point about a dedicated selfie camera was that in 2008, few would have considered taking selfies to be a major use case that would drive >90% of teens and adults to have a camera which has no other reasonable purpose. In the age of FaceTime calls, it would seem absurd to question why it's needed, but nothing like that was mainstream in 2008, which would lead to the same argument of "there are very few legitimate…

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it. I'm so burnt by the potential downsides (and by the last ~19 years of smartphones) that I don't think we can see eye to eye, but I really appreciate you taking the time to expand on your point so I could understand your perspective.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

cyanydeez wrote: post #114
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #69

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"Fun" bonus fact: This isn't the first time Sama (the outsourcing company) has had these problems. OpenAI had them classify CSAM, so Sama fired them as a client back in 2022. https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ We're 4 years on, 3 years since that report broke. Not a single thing has improved about how tech companies operate.

Isn't it more that tech companies are just more high profile and integral to political and social landscape than older companies; but reviewing the current political zeitgeist, they're in lockstep to what some, if not all, would just call fascism?

They are literal defense and offense contractors. They hang out at the Pentagon. They sell political data to sway elections. They give gifts to leaders for favors. It is technofacism.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by intended »

elevation wrote: post #96
everdrive wrote: post #3

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Sounds about right. If you know someone who uses these smart glasses, it's important not to tolerate them whatsoever. Don't speak with them, interact with them. I wouldn't even recommend being in their presence.

> I wouldn't even recommend being in their presence. Great! Now do people with smart TVs and people with smart phones

Don’t we already hate the invasive ad tech industry?

Aren’t there already posts and articles on how to ensure that TVs don’t farm information from us?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by dylan604 »

hosteur wrote: post #153
swiftcoder wrote: post #85

One of the bigger commercial niches for smart glasses is filming POV porn, so it is hardly surprising that sort of content ended up in the moderation queue. The project should have planned to account for that use case.

Why is there even a “ moderation queue”? Isn’t this people’s private recordings?

This is my question too. I get moderating things that people are posting. Being not familiar with the device and how it works, I'd assume that all footage is posted to the user's cloud account even if not publicly posted. This being cloud storage, Meta is "moderating" the footage to ensure CSAM or other restricted footage type is not being stored on their (Meta's) platform. That's my very generous take on it, not that I believe it

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by pxc »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #28

Not a fan of regulation in general, but would love to see a ban of cameras on glasses used in public spaces.

The most important real use case of devices like this is as accessibility tech. Blind people everywhere are talking about devices like this.

It's the same with phones. I know blind people who have been harassed for holding their phones up to things as though they are taking pictures, but in fact they're using the camera on their phone to render signage legible to them, or having their phone (or a person on the other end) read it.

Banning this in a way that doesn't in practice cause problems for visually impaired people would be difficult. It might also be difficult to do in a way that doesn't harm, for instance, accountability for cops who are acting in public.

The impulse to "ban" is sometimes a bit naive imo.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Post by amelius »

voidUpdate wrote: post #105
randallsquared wrote: post #93

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At everything on the opposite side of the screen, typically. There is a recording light for Meta glasses, but not one for iPhones, for example: the "recording" indicators are all user-side there.

When I'm on public transport, people generally face their phones in such a way that they'd only be filming your feet or the floor... They don't hold them up at head height in such a way that other people would be recorded. Maybe it's just a cultural thing

Examples:

https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/922925/view/three-people-...

https://www.istockphoto.com/nl/foto/happy-woman-using-smart-...

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