He can leave. Why do we have to care about what he says or does?
HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
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Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#172The main question is what is the best alternative??
As place to store code? Just put it on github, it's fine, public facing code can all go there (as a mirror). As place to run test? Build your own infrastructure. It's easier than ever. Why rely on blackboxes to do that?
> As place to run test? Build your own infrastructure. It's easier than ever. Why rely on blackboxes to do that?
I'm not saying this is horrible advice, but I think it conveniently ignores some major reasons people prefer cloud infrastructure in the first place.
Building your own infrastructure is the (relatively) easy part. Maintaining it, ensuring everything is patched, passing compliance audits, dealing with your own outages (I find it a bit ironic when everyone complains about cloud downtime, as if self hosted infrastructure has 99.999% uptime) is the expensive part. I'm not saying it's that hard to do, but once you get to a certain size it requires dedicated staff to manage, which is expensive.
In fact, if GitHub Actions were more reliable, I would hardly see any reason at all to host your own test infrastructure for most companies. The only reason hosting your own is more attractive is because GH Actions has such poor uptime.
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#173I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been. Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?
Their stability and reliability has deteriorated significantly. So much so that they stopped posting uptime metrics for a while on their status page and an independent 3rd party created a website just for this: https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/ (not my website) According to that website, which unsurprisingly reports a lower number than what Github themselves claim, Github uptime is down to ~86%. And if you wor…
> which unsurprisingly reports a lower number than what Github themselves claim
Yes, because it throws all partial outages into one bucket, which is a dumb idea because the bigger a platform becomes with more loosely coupled components the more untainable high uptime number become.
Looking through the incidents, a good portion of them are regarding Copilot and Codespaces, two products I couldn't care about less. I do also have my regular run-ins with Github outages, but that website is just hyperbolic.
Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#174The main question is what is the best alternative??
Definitely self-hosted gitlab
Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.
I think you’ve got it backwards. GitHub is by far the market leader for hosted repositories and maybe for CI too. This is like asking “Why are companies interested in using AWS?” When one firm is so dominant for so long, the question is more like “Why shouldn’t we just use GitHub like 80% of software companies do?” The issues they’ve had are almost all very recent. Very few companies have reevaluated that decision, b…
> The issues they’ve had are almost all very recent.
It has been bad for at least 18mo, maybe longer? I recall multiple work impacting outages at my previous employer extending back into 2024. Maybe even earlier than that?
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could be. But 99% of the repos are static garbage with no PR nor actions. They mentioned they have some elasticsearch reindexing going to, I would guess they needed to regard or move stuff and something didn't work well. But if I understood it right they mentioned the PRs ES index which they didn't shared proof increased as the number of repos. It might be anything. It seems they lost huge chunks due to layoffs and s…
> Could be. But 99% of the repos are static garbage with no PR nor actions. But the 1% of repos that do have PRs and actions are likely going to be seeing enormous increases in volumes I have been a part of two very large companies with self hosted gits and I've seen enough to be confident that this is an incredibly hard thing to manage
Ya but they are owned by freaking microsoft and have billions of dollars and employees to throw at the problem. The outage problems shouldn't be happening period.
Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you’ve got it backwards. GitHub is by far the market leader for hosted repositories and maybe for CI too. This is like asking “Why are companies interested in using AWS?” When one firm is so dominant for so long, the question is more like “Why shouldn’t we just use GitHub like 80% of software companies do?” The issues they’ve had are almost all very recent. Very few companies have reevaluated that decision, b…
> I think you’ve got it backwards. GitHub is by far the market leader for hosted repositories Maybe, but I never heard about any company using github for internal projects in my real life. For me it was always to go to for open source projects. Then again it's not a topic that often comes up in my developer circles.
More than half the companies I have worked for use Github. The others used Atlassian tools which were at least as bad from a reliability perspective and much less nice to use (IMO).
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#178I’m certain I’m up there in the 1% of users, or close to it, that are writing software daily in terms of consistent prolonged volume of work and work that is actually used by others over the past nearly 20 years based on user activity statistics I’ve collected. I, too, am a fairly, but not immediate early user of GitHub. Despite GitHub’s poor metrics, I am still shipping, because writing software doesn’t require GitH…
"Hashimoto’s comments sound disturbed and I hope he finds some peace..." You don't often see the completely unhinged ad hominem 'faux mental health concern' segway here on Hacker News to try and paint someone as 'disturbed'. Thought that was mainly a Reddit thing people do.
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#179You gotta admire journalists. Such a one punch sentence that distills the message with a little bit of dramatic flair. got damn, anyone got recommendations on how to write like a journalist ?
Writing titles for e.g. Reddit posts teaches you the same things.
It’s an intellectual and creative exercise that I kind of enjoy.
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#180Now I understand why my ArgoCD randomly shows sync problems saying it cannot access GitHub