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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by avazhi »

reaperducer wrote: post #106
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

On an unrelated note If you know it's unrelated, why try to derail this discussion? Why not start another? What's the point? Could it be that you only posted this in an active thread so it would get the most eyeballs, instead of being judged on its own merits?

> Could it be that you only posted this in an active thread so it would get the most eyeballs

How is this a criticism? Seems smart to me.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by jonhohle »

ryandrake wrote: post #102
retired wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS Tahoe still has floppy drive support.

Really? Like actual internal floppy drives, and not just USB floppy drives (which even Windows still supports)? I actually wouldn't expect macOS to support actual floppy drives since the OS's list of supported devices doesn't include any that shipped with floppy drives. The fact that I cannot install the latest macOS on any devices older than 2019 is a related, but separate problem.

Yes! And Zip Disk support. I have an app that has to detect different external media types and have a pile of old drives that work just fine.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by mikestorrent »

joe_mamba wrote: post #132
enaaem wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the new app launcher. It takes 1-2 seconds to draw a bunch of icons. Scrolling is also choppy. This even happens on their newest machines. How this possible in 2026?

>How this possible in 2026? Enshittification. When you're an ecosystem monopoly, people are forced to buy your shit no matter how bad it gets.

Apple used to solve this through the ruthless application of good taste; we hope this returns with the new CEO

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by gzread »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #122
tracker1 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not suggesting they keep it all... just ironic as a statement considering Linux is literally removing a bit lately... I'm mostly okay cleaning out a lot of legacy and unsupported devices. In some ways, and for people who want to support really old hardware it may not be great, but they're most likely stuck on older versions for other reasons.

I don't think it is ironic, though; Linux isn't "Dropping support for things just because they are old", it's dropping unused things when they cause code quality problems. That's rather different than features being dropped because the vendor doesn't want to bother supporting them even though they still worked and have active users.

Feetures being dropped because nobody wants to support them is a prominent feature of free software. That's part of "no warranty". If it does bother you, you're supposed to step up to support it yourself, or pay someone to.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by gzread »

realusername wrote: post #69
wang_li wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. You are deluding yourself if you think open source folks are better. You can't compile and run a modern version of GCC on Solaris 10 on SPARC, for example. And we just had a story here last week about removal of bus mouse support. It's only a mild exaggeration to say that lots of folks will check the commit activity on…

Open source is better because as long as you have a single developer caring to maintain the device, it will still be there. Bus mouse support isn't removed because it's old but because it's been broken since 2015 and nobody noticed.

Open source is better because if you need the device driver then you can step up to maintain it yourself. It doesn't mean someone else will magically do it for you. I've used devices with very obscure incantations to get some random person's hack to run on Linux that worked natively on Windows.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

gzread wrote: post #174
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is ironic, though; Linux isn't "Dropping support for things just because they are old", it's dropping unused things when they cause code quality problems. That's rather different than features being dropped because the vendor doesn't want to bother supporting them even though they still worked and have active users.

Feetures being dropped because nobody wants to support them is a prominent feature of free software. That's part of "no warranty". If it does bother you, you're supposed to step up to support it yourself, or pay someone to.

Okay, but that's the exact opposite of what we're discussing here? Linux, which is free software, isn't dropping features because nobody wants to support them, but because nobody's using them. Meanwhile, macOS, developed as a commercial product and with a much weaker showing of open source or even source availability, is dropping features because Apple doesn't want to support them.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by troad »

post-it wrote: post #67

Why is it that Apple products attract blogspam titles? > Networking changes coming in macOS 27 And yet: > This year, with just over six weeks to go before that first beta of macOS 27, we already have two warnings of what might be coming. > It repeated those warnings with macOS Sequoia 15.5, but still hasn’t confirmed when AFP will be lost. > Although Apple carefully avoids being too specific, it warns that this chang…

I was also surprised by this. The post appears to contain next to no actual information.

The facts: Apple put a warning in macOS 15.5 that AFP support might be dropped in the future.

The claim: AFP support will be dropped in macOS 27.

I just do not see how you get from the facts to the claim. This is just complete speculation.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by bigyabai »

mikestorrent wrote: post #173
joe_mamba wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How this possible in 2026? Enshittification. When you're an ecosystem monopoly, people are forced to buy your shit no matter how bad it gets.

Apple used to solve this through the ruthless application of good taste; we hope this returns with the new CEO

Originally, it was "solved" because computers were the only thing Apple sold. They couldn't afford a Lisa without successes like the Apple II.

Now, Apple's incentives are changed. The App Store alone makes multiple times more money in a year than the sum of annual Mac and iPad sales put together. The OSes for these products are decidedly back-burner so Apple can focus on expanding AppleTV's IP library and lobby for Apple Pay. Ternus won't be your savior.

  John Ternus says Apple has ‘so much’ opportunity to expand services
https://9to5mac.com/2026/04/27/john-ternus-says-apple-has-so...

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by joombaga »

hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #136
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Other issues with Time Machine: - Very slow, even on an M4. - 3rd party devices are often unreliable. Not directly Apple's fault, but the lack of certification process hurts - SMB extensions: In order for an SMB server to support Time Machine, it must support Apple's AAPL extensions to SMB (my understand of this my be a bit uncorrect) - Network device connecting is separate from Time Machine device connecting. This c…

You can't turn it on without an external drive attached, even though it saves local backups. It works if you mount a disk image and then point TM to it with the CLI.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by fragmede »

pvab3 wrote: post #170
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

i wonder if support for DIY backup tools isn't prioritized when a future iCloud monthly subscription will be pushed eventually.

future iCloud monthly subscription?

I've been paying for iCloud storage since I don't know when.

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