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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Another wrong comment doesn't make being wrong less wrong. CEOs/persons trying to sell controlled technology unauthorized for export by origin country. They are direct legal analogs.

Wrong how? It is your comment that is missing the point. The contention isn't whether USA has export control (you are the one who brought it up), it's whether USA has actually prevented a company from being sold overseas by detaining their owners. Are you trying to push a red herring?

> it's whether USA has actually prevented a company from being sold overseas by detaining their owners.

notably china isnt doing this either: they are barring exit, not detaining, and the reason for barring exit was not reported, so its a stretch to say that its to prevent the sale of the company overseas.

The US:

- makes broad claims of jurisdiction - has export control, which is listed in the article as a potential reason for blocking the sale, and - restricts exit from the country when it wants to make sure certain people are available to chat

I dont see whats so exciting about pushing on this specific case. There's an error of, "who's tried to export controlled IP by selling their company to a foreign adversary?"

I dont see what's so exciting about this case that the US definitely absolutely wouldnt take a pretty similar approach to china - bring the CEOs to testify before congress and keep them in the country til the government is satisfied. What's so out of the ordinary that makes this interesting? This is the stuff that goes into work compliance courses.

you might instead want to answer which high tech defense contractor for the US has successfully been bought out by say, iran, china, north korea, or russia, that the US has given the OK on?

I expect there's a lack of data either way. It doesnt come up because people generally move their companies to the US, not out

why is this the hill to die on?

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Not comparable. The Supermicro trio wasn't trapped for trying to sell a company to China.

Directly comparable, trying to circumvent export controls. One is chips other is algo.

Could you cite the specific law that makes it illegal for someone to export their thoughts?

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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> which is way easier for ethnic Chinese people than for other races Nationals. The word you are looking for is nationals.

I am not. I am referring to the Chinese race. Their nationality could be Taiwanese or even Malaysian and the result is the same.

Then the word you're looking for is likely Han, Chinese is only a nationality, not an ethnicity.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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I mean, they're just cribbing what America did, and what the British Empire did before that. It's a disgusting playbook, but it's also an effective one if you're a state trying to exert control over important players or entities.

I think you need to give some concrete examples, considering the US happily let its companies offshore a lot of work to China over the years, and Chinese funds own large chunks of American companies.

? The united states have blocked exports by a Dutch company to China, and somehow got away with it.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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I don't think anyone is holding the US as blameless or perfect, but it gets exhausting to see Chinese propaganda every single time anything like this happens. When the US does something reprehensible, people rarely come up in droves going on and about China's enablement of the North Korean regime or the many abuses enacted on its population, but every single time the US does anything we had to read a whole lot on how…

You have to be joking. The media is almost daily full of China scares. Also, the comments here are not talking about who started this war, with the GPU sanctions and the arrest of the daughter of Huawei's founder. Does it mean the Chinese are the good guys? No, because there are not good guys, but there is certainly a side that is extremely aggressive an can't conceive that others can have their own interests. And it…

>but there is certainly a side that is extremely aggressive an can't conceive that others can have their own interests. And it's not the Chinese.

It's not the Chinese? You sure? There's probably nobody more economically aggressive in the planet and they just threw a hissy fit at the EU the other day for doing something they've been doing since forever.

I care not for "the media", I care that I don't have enough fingers to count the amount of people trying to justify this in this very comment section. I'm sure western media is not favorable to Chinese interests, I'd be utterly baffled if Chinese media was favorable to western interests. I do not expect public sentiment to follow a party line because we are better than that, but I do expect a certain reticence to go all out and justify opposition in intellectually rotten ways.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Just because the US also does this doesn’t make it right for China to do it and vice versa. Team coca-cola and team pepsi are both evil and illegitimate.

Every country does it. Doing it is a central function of having a government. The number of, presumably, left-wing people who advocate for the most extreme forms of libertarianism is truly incredible.

> Every country does it. Doing it is a central function of having a government.

You are falling back on whataboutism. This is irrelevant. If we were having a similar debate in the middle ages, you would probably say something like:

> Every church is burning witches and heretics at the stake. Doing it is a central function of having a church.

The CCP has abducted these individuals and is preventing them from leaving the country. This is not ok. You can't justify this by saying "yeah, but they're the government, so it's their right to abduct whoever they want". A government is just a corporation with a bit more power than the others, not some sacred entity that sits above us.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Funny when you consider the world owes a lot of AI advancements to both Meta and Google, their open releases really did shift things, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, especially for China, which as far as I know were not releasing as much in AI as they have been beforehand. I remember when Meta released Llama originally people were speculating about it, but it wound up producing a lot of projects that used it, I…

> Funny when you consider the world owes a lot of AI advancements to both Meta and Google Funny how ByteDance kicked both their asses so hard at RecSys algos, they had to go back to the drawing board to meet the newly redefined expectations on the quality of short-form video recommendations.

Did they though? That is the lore. You can’t really compare recommender system performance across different populations and products.

Unlike common benchmarks for LLMs.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Jack Ma is fine. If that's what you mean by ruthless then it's not really a big deal.

He's fine because he complied with the authorities.

All states, by definition, are authorities that demand compliance. You're not saying anything that distinguishes Jack Ma's condition from anyone else's just about anywhere.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Not much, none of those cases from the US resulted in disappearing the founders. The US is a nation of laws, no matter how imperfect. Stark contrast to the CCP.

At the end of the day, the process itself, years of investigation, millions in legal fees, frozen assets, destroyed careers is often the punishment regardless of whether charges stick or convictions hold up. Not sure we can give any lessons to the world.

The US is a democracy, and people are given many procedural and substantive rights, even Guantanamo detainees (we can argue if Boumediene had any practical effect, but we wouldn't have seen the same from China).

But Americans are under the impression that what the world sees is what they mostly see -- the domestic side. And to a certain extent, they do thanks to its cultural influence. This democracy/rule of law, however, is completely absent in way it behaves outside its borders and it's now clearer than ever to everyone that the US is the biggest source of instability in the world. More than Russia. Certainly more than China.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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>>> Barring them from leaving the country feels a bit sinister for people who haven't been accused of committing any crimes. This is standard operating procedure for the CCP. They are a truly ruthless, sinister group who have no scruples about ensuring compliance and using leverage on behalf of Chinese interests. Just look at what happened to Jack Ma.

Gemini, Give me examples of people that the US has retained passports pending investigations It's standard procedure in every country for some investigations.

And what exactly are these founders being investigated for?
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