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The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by thrance »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #143
thrance wrote: post #39

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What are you even talking about. There was and still is much more money to be made on the pro-Israel side. Which media magnates have ever sided with Palestinians again? Virtually all the propaganda money goes to defending the actions of Israel in the Middle East. And the thing that motivated so much grassroot support for Palestinians was the West's total material and moral support to the Zionist project, while the ge…

> There was and still is much more money to be made on the pro-Israel side Has anyone actually measured this? If I were to create two sock-puppet AI-content accounts and let them loose on social media, I'd guess I'd be monetising at a multiple with the pro-Palestinian one. It's just the more-mainstream position in today's media environment across the aisle.

I really don't want to dive in this rabbithole, but Israel and its allies are very present online and spend obscene amounts of money to buy influencers, politicians and media. The video of Netanyahou repeating "TikTok, TikTok, TikTok" to sponsored influencers in a seminar comes to mind. And now Ellison, a notorious Zionist, straight up bought the platform to align it with his ideas. There is nothing even remotely comparable happening on the other side.

Based on platform revenue though, certainly pro-Palestinian content must be generating more organic clicks and views, seeing how this conflict has become a 90-10 issue among liberals. But that's not where the lion share of profits are made. Certainly, if I was a morally bankrupt influencer/politician/journalist, I know which side I'd pick to maximize my income.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by aaron695 »

dwa3592 wrote: post #16

This is heartbreaking. Is there a place where I can donate? Will it help in anyway? Edit: Thank you for your responses. Ended up donating to Doctors without borders. Hope it reaches someone. I was going to say humans are really just wild animals but then i thought that would be a disrespect to wild animals.

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by anovikov »

tovej wrote: post #161
anovikov wrote: post #124

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Sudan was under British rule and Cyprus was under British rule at the same time. Outcome is vastly different. The Brits brought civilisation and made Cyprus what it is, enabling its current prosperity (only difference between Cyprus and Greece is that Cyprus was a British colony and Greece wasn't). Somehow it didn't happen in Sudan. And no it's not because they handled locals differently. They didn't care about local…

Cyprus is an island. That changes a lot of the dynamics. Also Cyprus has the support of its big brother Greece, which the Greek majority Cypriots wanted to unite with. Sudan had no such partner, because the Egyptian rulers aligned themselves with the British. I hope you can see that Greece is the key differentiating factor here. Any other argument is disingenuous. Not to mention the racist attitudes of the British em…

"Support" of Greece - that was withdrawn when it was critically needed - resulted in the biggest disaster of our history, 1974 invasion. Greece only brought instability here and it was a much poorer and much more chaotic place to begin with, it couldn't do better even if it wished.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by boxed »

newspaper1 wrote: post #94
boxed wrote: post #45

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In the Spanish colonies they speak Spanish. In the Portuguese colonies they speak Portuguese. In the __BLANK__ colonies they speak Hewbrew. Fill in the blank.

Ashkenazi, and only because they made a dedicated effort to switch from their native Yiddish to build the colonization narrative.

That's not a nation.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by boxed »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #130
boxed wrote: post #45

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In the Spanish colonies they speak Spanish. In the Portuguese colonies they speak Portuguese. In the __BLANK__ colonies they speak Hewbrew. Fill in the blank.

Hew brew, as you spell it, is a resurrected language. It was extinct. It was resurrected solely as a tool for jewish nationalism.

And from which mother nation state was Israel a colony of?

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by boxed »

atwrk wrote: post #70
hollerith wrote: post #65

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I deplore current Israeli policies, but Ukraine isn't disguising its war fighters as civilians like Hamas is, which is an important qualifier to your numbers.

But Russia is doing exactly that systematically for years now, disguising as civilians. I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims.

> I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims.

Even the very slanted wikipedia article doesn't claim such a crazy thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

They do claim everyone under the age of 18 to be a "child", which I know is the UN definition, but is pretty absurd in this situation with Hamas fighters of 15, 16, and 17 years of age being very common.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by boxed »

ahhhhnoooo wrote: post #109
boxed wrote: post #60

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Palestinian muslim arabs are 20% of Israels population. Remind me how many percent of Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, are Jewish? This is the worst genocide ever. They even have representation in Knesset. They serve in the IDF.

I can tell you are unable to approach this topic rationally. No one made the claim this is the worse genocide ever. It does not need to rise to that bar to be a genocide. Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic. And the whataboutism is a deflection. Genocide is bad everywhere it's occurring. Right now it's occurring in many places, one of which is within Israel/Palestine. If you believe it's al…

> Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic

I mean.. I think the same about your continued use of the word "genocide" in this war. Israel is fighting a war with human shields being explicitly used basically 100% of the time. Hamas fires missiles from inside refugee camps, and shooting AKs from behind children. Hamas is committing a war crime almost every time they attack at all.

They built a tunnel system that could house their entire civilian population, but if a civilian tried to take shelter Hamas shoots them. Civilian casualties was always the goal for Hamas, because the west is predictably fooled by it.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by culi »

goodcanadian wrote: post #37

I feel like I have seen better analysis of this elsewhere. In a nutshell, it is not simply a civil war. Regional actors are involved as a proxy war: Saudi Arabia against the UAE, for example (who are also having a proxy war in Yemen). And Egypt against Ethiopia. The wikipedia article covers some of the complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80... EDIT: This is what I am thinking of: htt…

FWIW I haven't seen a better more thorough analysis of the history and current state than Cogito

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqIMES53rsY

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by culi »

ResPublica wrote: post #117
cess11 wrote: post #73

One factor this article skips over is that UAE and the Abraham Accords makes the US reluctant to rein in their buddies. This might change due to the UAE not being very happy about the US dragging them into a regional war.

You're right, I underweighted that. The Abraham Accords logic sits underneath the whole US posture toward the UAE and I should have named it directly. The piece treats it as part of the "economic interests" frame but that's too abstract. Concretely: the US has tied its Gulf diplomacy, arms sales, and regional security architecture to the normalization framework, and the UAE is the pivot. Calling out UAE arms transfer…

Your comment is heavily downvoted because, especially the first sentence, seems AI generated. Was this comment AI generated? HN is for human discussions

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by raxxorraxor »

newspaper1 wrote: post #127
yostrovs wrote: post #116

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This war is not even known about by the general public. The question is why not? I believe the actors of the war nobody hates or loves outside of Africa. Nobody knows them. If it would be Americans, Chinese, Israelis, or Russians involved, the war would be in the news.

“The world” is very complicit in supporting Israel’s genocide. It also has effects like stripping the rights of citizens in countries whose governments support Israel. That’s why people care.

It isn't a genocide for that matter. I always was projection by their detractors and it is getting old really. We have attacks on synagogues all over the world and we had protests on the day after Israel got attacked.

I don't like the government of Israel either, but I think the loudest critics are simply poor morons and uneducated fools at this point. Worse enough that some leaders of certain countries give into this primitive populism.

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