"Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal" — Demolition Man, 1993
Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed
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#172As a former smoker (who quit for seven years and regrets taking it up again), and as a present-day vape user, wtf. This is a clear restriction on liberty. It may be stupid that I do it. Just like many stupid decisions (junk food included), it ought to be my right to decide how to live. Cut off production so cigarettes are no longer made or imported. Don't block me from them while letting others have them. (Not in UK)…
In a country with a national health system, why should you be able to internalize the benefit of smoking whilst externalizing the cost?
The sin taxes more than cover the healthcare costs of the associated sins. It's the untaxed sins, greed and sloth, that are fucking the NHS.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I, a non-smoker, would like to not walk through clouds of smoke.
That's what I say when I breathe car exhaust. Why cannot all combustion engines be removed from society for my health preference?
Some cities have streets where internal combustion engines are banned.
Some have bans on just diesel engines. Others ban combustion engines during some hours. Some inner-city congestion taxes have been introduced for health reasons.
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#174This is dumb. Brazil was able to extremely reduce tobacco consumption “just” with education and banning advertising.
It blows my mind how no other country in the world wants to follow their example on this. Are they too proud to copy a third world country? Even when it’s doing some things better?
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Oh, the hysteria people get over smelling a whiff of secondhand smoke. While you walk down a street full of diesel trucks, inhaling microplastics, microwaving your food in plastic, drinking water from plastic bottles, eating processed foods with nitrates, corn sugar soaked in round-up, standing out in the sun, getting body scans and dental X-rays. You know the only people who got lung cancer from secondhand smoke wer…
> purely a product of decades of expensively paid-for indoctrination No, it's because being around a smoker is deeply unpleasant. I'm old enough to remember going out before the indoor smoking ban took effect. The next morning I'd step into the shower and the smell of smoke would fill the bathroom as I washed it out of my hair. I would have a sore throat. It was all absolutely disgusting and we're so much better off…
Being against things like TFA does not mean one is against things like banning indoor smoking. Just like being for alcohol doesn't mean one wants to legalize drunk driving.
> No, it's because being around a smoker is deeply unpleasant.
Being around drinkers isn't exactly a picnic :)
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#176That will for sure go well. Funding the "biggest threat the UK ever faced" according to Phil Mykytiuk, who has spent a decade mapping tobacco crime gangs in the north of England with a customer base of 10-11 million potential customers and rising every year, will surely cut heavily into their profits… It gets tiresome to buy a new house every week because the dry wall is full with cash, again. "Yo, psst, want to buy…
> He is new in post as a trading standards manager at Bolton Council in Greater Manchester but worked for 10 years on a tobacco enforcement team at nearby Rochdale Council. Props to this Vice reporter (in 2022) for snagging an interview with a municipal staffer in a suburb of Manchester, I guess. I’m sure he’s a very busy man. But he doesn’t exactly seem notable (try Googling his name) and I’m not really sure what th…
I am interested in your thought process.
If I got you right, you’re doubting his credibility as a source after he was vetted by a journalist, because he is talking about organised crime openly and not having a website or a Substack with half a million followers?
Maybe the BBC from November last year is a more credible source for you? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o
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#177What about tourists and foreigners? Most smokers can't go more than a few hours without smoking... This will surely lead to a large black market.
I didn't find anything particular, but in general it should apply to anyone under the jurisdiction. I think it's illegal to drink underage in the US, even if the person is a tourist and they are allowed to drink by their own country's law.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 1. will this work (will the UK stop smoking) What mechanisms do you foresee for it to fail? If stores stop selling cigarettes, the UK will have no other choice but to stop smoking them. I wonder what will come to replace them though. People have a peculiar tendency of forming addictive habits. Regarding question 2, personally, I am uncomfortable with the idea of a nanny state.
Prohibition did fail and US had to revert ban on alcohol. The rules are made by politicians. All it takes to change the rules is to rotate politicians. Or enough public dissent that the same politicians are forced to revert the rules.
A smoking ban could easily be enforced by allowing anyone bothered by secondhand smoke to report it.
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Enjoy setting up a GoFundMe if you ever get cancer.
The other natural consequence of socialized medicine is rationing. In Canada the waiting time for treatment is often months or years[1]. That GoFundMe might give you a higher survival rate. [1] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/article/more-than-23000-canadi...
Wait until you see how many people die from waiting for medical care they care afford in the US!