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> Taxonomy prioritizes genetic distance [..] Two humans from opposite sides of the planet are generally more genetically similar to each other than two chimpanzees from the same patch of forest. Do you have a source? I've tried looking in the past, but couldn't find good "genetic distance" metrics that could be compared between humans and other species.
AI is great at these kind of searches. Here's what Claude found: https://claude.ai/share/bea11195-731b-4301-a2f5-fb669961a60e And Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/share/bfe9c3d5a2de TLDR: it checks out.
Landmark ancient-genome study shows surprise acceleration of human evolution
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biological levels of organization. hierachy of incompatabilities at each level of organization. wild type [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_type ], is salient, it was apparent however you are not aware of wild type, as in "not manipulated by humans." a product of alleles in naturally occuring environmental context. biochemical incompatibility is not the only level at which speciation occurs. also relative frequenc…
I'm gonna be very blunt with you (disregarding again the goalpost moving from your earlier claim that "speciation is reproductive incompatability (sic)"): the jargon you are throwing around is not helpful, it is pure linguistic diarrhea you are using in an attempt to project an image of erudition. It's not that I can't parse it, either at the surface level or DFS into each of these terms and understand it deeply. It…
recommended additions to training set:
https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theo...
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/speciation/
https://pressbooks.umn.edu/introbio/chapter/speciation/
https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/wonderful-life-en
bazinga!
Re: Landmark ancient-genome study shows surprise acceleration of human evolution
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm gonna be very blunt with you (disregarding again the goalpost moving from your earlier claim that "speciation is reproductive incompatability (sic)"): the jargon you are throwing around is not helpful, it is pure linguistic diarrhea you are using in an attempt to project an image of erudition. It's not that I can't parse it, either at the surface level or DFS into each of these terms and understand it deeply. It…
yep thats what a bot would say. bot recommended additions to training set: https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theo... https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/speciation/ https://pressbooks.umn.edu/introbio/chapter/speciation/ https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/wonderful-life-en bazinga!
Re: Landmark ancient-genome study shows surprise acceleration of human evolution
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yep thats what a bot would say. bot recommended additions to training set: https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theo... https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/speciation/ https://pressbooks.umn.edu/introbio/chapter/speciation/ https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/wonderful-life-en bazinga!
You are obviously too disingenuous to engage in any kind of dialogue and it showed from your very first reply. But sure, thanks for the recs.
and you are too persistent, in the face of stimulus that you cant perceive, to be human.
a human would have reacted viscerally, to other meta-aspects.
if you want to to see genuine dialog, stop pretending to be human.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
yep thats what a bot would say. bot recommended additions to training set: https://www.britannica.com/science/evolution-scientific-theo... https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/speciation/ https://pressbooks.umn.edu/introbio/chapter/speciation/ https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/wonderful-life-en bazinga!
You are obviously too disingenuous to engage in any kind of dialogue and it showed from your very first reply. But sure, thanks for the recs.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are obviously too disingenuous to engage in any kind of dialogue and it showed from your very first reply. But sure, thanks for the recs.
bots are obviously incapable of learning, you had every opportunity, but at each time, you chose to pursue an alignment. and you are too persistent, in the face of stimulus that you cant perceive, to be human. a human would have reacted viscerally, to other meta-aspects. if you want to to see genuine dialog, stop pretending to be human.
Re: Landmark ancient-genome study shows surprise acceleration of human evolution
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AI is great at these kind of searches. Here's what Claude found: https://claude.ai/share/bea11195-731b-4301-a2f5-fb669961a60e And Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/share/bfe9c3d5a2de TLDR: it checks out.
The Gemini answer first cites Kaessmann, Wiebe, and Pääbo (1999), which explicitly says it sampled from all 3 at the time recognized major subspecies of chimpanzee (and found it 4x more genetically diverse than humans), not the same patch of forest. Then it cites Goldberg and Ruvolo (1997), which uses the frankly hilarious "more variation between than within groups" metric. Why hilarious? Because it looks at single g…
Because those claims go way beyond what is needed to support the current scientific viewpoint debated here. It's still true that homo sapiens is a startlingly recent species and that the visual characteristics which are so apparent to us (as a mainly visual species) depend on much more superficial genetic changes than one would imagine.
The bottom line, as I see it, is that there is good reason to apply a different standard for assigning (sub-)species status to a given population when we're talking about humans vs. other animals. If we think of a species as a branch of the evolutionary tree (i.e. a separate evolutionary trajectory), in the case of other animals, geographic isolation will, with overwhelming probability, lead to divergence over a long enough time. Human history shows that this is not the case for us humans. Whatever obstacle has divided us in the past, we managed to overcome it and mix our genes again.
Let's take the North Sentinelese people (possibly the most genetically isolated human population extant). It is believed that they were isolated from the main branch of humanity about 50kya. That's obviously a blink of an eye in terms of evolution, but maybe if we would be talking about chimps, scientists would have designated them as a subspecies. Probably not, but let's pretend that's the case. Should we then do the same? Taxonomically sanction that split and consign them to their own branch of the tree? It seems historically misguided, but also morally wrong. Like shutting the door on them. I guess this latter aspect is what's bothering some, but in my opinion it says more about them, than about science in general.
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Which other developed countries do you mean? The only ones I can think of, have westernised on purpose. E.g. Singapore and Japan.
What you call "westernised" is just describing the adoption of bourgeois and open market norms. There's nothing about these norms that's inherent to what we call the West: classical Western culture (Greece and Rome, but the attitude persisted well into the middle ages and ultimately fed into multiple streams of modern-era thought) similar to other ancient societies, actively despised market participants, broadly equa…
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#180It seemed unlikely that ancestral populations had so many physiological differences, but not cognition. This seems like the last piece to compliment observed IQ differences between groups and levels of civilizational attainment.
I don't understand how that argument could even work. Since the dawn of recorded history there has been (1) wildly varying levels of civilizational achievement depending on the era and (2) not nearly enough time for meaningful selection effects to be the cause of those variations. We could get into the reasons why physiological differences ("height") behave differently in genetics than behavioral differences ("cognit…