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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Post by i_cannot_hack »

nslsm wrote: post #164
karim79 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only one I can think of offhand is Bernie Sanders.

>Born into a working-class Jewish family and raised in New York…

Being jewish is not the same as condoning Israel's war crimes (which shouldn't even have to be clarified, but here we are...)

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Post by nerdyadventurer »

karim79 wrote: post #68

For those unfamiliar with the "Dahiya Doctrine"[0] this is exactly that: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

There is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive which was activated in Oct 7. It is simply killing own people and solidiers to avoid capture.

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Post by cnd78A »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #148
chistev wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Israel's reason for all this? Can someone explain their side of the argument, as it is?

What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument? Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes. (Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill naz…

The reality is much simplier, it's not a one man story not even a top down one. If you had travel on those area you would know that their leader reflect the will / moral sense of the population. Most Israelis approve the genocide, most Russians and Americans don't mind invading other nations.

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Post by cnd78A »

voxl wrote: post #42
22122 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as long as people keep voting for politicians that are complicit with pro zionist policies

Part of the problem is the conflation of Zionism with genocidal government. There is no room for nuiance. A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are and not harm others, and certainly not commit horrible atrocities against other people. Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "may…

* A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are* = they want to live in peace in a land they took by murdering its inhabitant. You can have Jews living in Palestine though but it's not Zionism.

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Post by throway23423 »

gregoryl wrote: post #127
taylodl wrote: post #34

How long will the world continue to tolerate Israel's egregious war crimes?

The world? There is one country supplying the weapons and funding.

Germany continues to provide arms and support to the IDF and did so throughout the entire duration of the Gaza Campaign. Just recently, the Volkswagen group announced it is considering retooling one of their factories to manufacture missiles for Iron dome system. The UK also continues to manufacture and sell components for weapon systems used by the Israelis. The UK's RAF bases in Greece, Cyprus, and the UK have also been key logistics hubs for weapons to the Israelis and the Americans. In addition, the UK operated daily surveillance flights over Gaza out of their base in Cyprus through the entire period of the Gaza Genocide. The exact goal and nature of this operation continues to be kept secret but it is inconceivable how they weren't witness to the countless war crimes being committed on the ground. Mainstream outlets like the BBC and the Guardian continue to suppress reporting on this story. I am sure there are more countries providing support in secret and in smaller ways. Germany which suspended all arms exports to Saudi Arabia in 2018 citing the murder of the journalist Khassogi and grave human-rights violations in Yemen lifted these restrictions last year citing its defence of Israel. It is illuminating to note how Germany defines the protection of human rights and journalists in these cases.

https://www.ft.com/content/1e41e6db-792f-4f60-b567-adb6458fb...

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-still-sharing-intellig...

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-rewards-saudi-ara...

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Post by kaptcha »

throway23423 wrote: post #151

The first time i saw this concept of the 'double-tap' - to target first-responders to the scene of an earlier strike - was in the movie,' The Hurt Locker' - where it was employed by some ISIS-tier insurgents using a VBIED disguised as an ambulance. Presumably this was intended to show the level of depravity of the terrorists. First time actually seeing this employed in the real world was last year when Israel did a d…

Targeting first responders was already a common strategy in the bombing runs of WW2, used by both sides.

This was a reason why bombers attacked in multiple waves.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

chistev wrote: post #168
catlikesshrimp wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument? Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes. (Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill naz…

The way I understand the dispute, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that Ukraine was formerly part of the Soviet Union. Russia feels aggrieved that in recent years Ukraine has been trying to become part of NATO, a move that would further diminish Russia's ability to project power in the region. NATO has already expanded into former Warsaw pact countries, and even former Soviet Republics. Russia feels they need t…

These are the "excuses" by Russia. The only real motivation is to expand its own power and influence in the World. They will find whatever lowest hanging fruit to justify the actions they think will lead to it. They will try to propose a rhetoric that sounds as if they are justified to something. Everyone does that, not just Russia, but there are countries and leaders who always want to expand at the cost of others, and there are countries who just want to be and are fine with their borders. If it wasn't decade old broken promises by someone from NATO or whatever they would of course dig for another reason as part of the propaganda. There is no rational reason for a peaceful country without goals of expansion to fear NATO. They don't like the expansion of NATO because it limits their abilities in the future to expand.

NATO is for countries that want to stay as they are without having to be as scared that Russia decides they would be their next target for expansion. If those countries in the east didn't join NATO, Russia would use another excuse to at first opportunity invade and occupy those countries.

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