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If they never learned to code, it wouldn't be very easy to build or catch the BS that AI generate.
Yes. This is why senior+ engineers will be fine for a while. It's the future of the industry I'm worried about. We are the last generation that will know the world before GenAI.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, this is the obvious problem. We've been through cycles like this before. Back in the day, Dreamweaver was going to put every web developer out of a job. More recently, Squarespace was going to do something similar. However, as soon as you step out of the well-trodden path, you're encountering tougher to debug issue, or you want some customization that the tools aren't aware of or designed to handle, and now you'…
> We've been through cycles like this before. Back in the day, Dreamweaver was going to put every web developer out of a job [...] I get what you're saying. This is why I was also skeptical, initially. But consider this: this time, it's qualitatively different, and more importantly, companies seem to believe so, which has real impact on our jobs. Dreamweaver never threatened my job. Not once. Neither did Squarespace.…
Also, it’s a little too convenient that businesses are getting to spin their layoffs as a result of AI, rather than a weakening overall market (tariffs, higher energy costs) and a misallocation of resources (over-investment in VR, crypto).
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#174Loved that section about "meat shields". LLMs cannot be held accountable. Someone needs to be involved in decision making, with real stakes if those decisions are bad.
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#175Now this guy was charging 1 drachma and 6 obols (apparently ~$100-150) per oracle. So that was his 'token rate'. And his clients the "fat-heads" (Lucian's phrasing not mine /g) were so taken by the scam that this guy earned up to 80,000 drachma per year! That's over 10 million bucks. For spewing b.s.
As to why all this is remotely related to OP's article, his mention of lawyers getting into trouble because of using LLM output instead of their brains ...
"By way of impressing the people still more, he announced that he would induce the God to speak, and give his responses without an intermediary ... These oracles were called autophones, and were not vouchsafed casually to any one, but reserved for officials, the rich, and the lavish.
"It was an autophone which was given to Severiann [4] regarding the invasion of Armenia. He encouraged him with these lines:
'Armenia, Parthia, cowed by thy fierce spear, To Rome, and Tiber's shining waves, thou com'st, Thy brow with leaves and radiant gold encircled!'
"Then when the foolish Gaul took his advice and invaded, to the total destruction of himself and his army by Othryades, the adviser expunged that oracle from his archives [!!!] and substituted the following:
"'Vex not th' Armenian land; it shall not thrive; One in soft raiment clad shall from his bow Launch death, and cut thee off from life and light.'"
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Abonoteichus
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucian_of_Samosata
[3]: https://topostext.org/work/337
[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Sedatius_Severianus
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> As an engineer, I'm never more excited about this job. How long do you think it'll take for the AI trend to mostly automate the parts of your job that still make you excited? Everyone thinks it won't be them, it will be others that will be impacted. We all think what we do is somehow unique and cannot be automated away by AI, and that our jobs are safe for the time being.
> How long do you think it'll take for the AI trend to mostly automate the parts of your job that still make you excited? Yeah, no one ever thinks beyond "whoa, how cool, I cloned Slack in 15 minutes!" Personally, the thing I find more depressing is turning a career that was primarily about solving interesting puzzles in elegant ways into managing a swarm of idiot savant chatbots with "OK, that looks good" or "no, do…
That’s what the management class thinks of software development process anyway, LLMs are just more idiotic and more savant than swes
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Yes. This is why senior+ engineers will be fine for a while. It's the future of the industry I'm worried about. We are the last generation that will know the world before GenAI.
If you’re a senior, your upcoming competition is self-lobotomizing by relying too heavily on AI without knowing how things work and more importantly why things break. That should be good for you.
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The human species. "We" doesn't include everyone and doesn't necessarily imply the process happens through collaboration and planning (conspiracy). The race to automation is happening as expected; outside any group control and bound by competition. Game theory suggests the end result is us being replaced, if we make it that far. "We" as a species are the ones making it happen.
There is a very very small percentage of humanity that’s pushing this stuff on everyone else. In fact most are saying “please stop”. “We” as a species certainly aren’t making it happen.
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There is a very very small percentage of humanity that’s pushing this stuff on everyone else. In fact most are saying “please stop”. “We” as a species certainly aren’t making it happen.
It is estimated that over 99.9% of all species that ever lived are extinct. The average lifespan of a species is 1–10 million years
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> It's why I just can't understand the mindset of software engineers who are giddy about this brave new world. There really is nothing special about your expertise that an LLM can't achieve, theoretically. They’re stupid or they’re already set up for success. The general ideas seems to be generalists are screwed, domain experts will be fine.
The optimistic spin is, I think, software developer as a career dies, just like sysadmin. But just like dev-ops, a new to-be-named role (or set of roles) will arise
Web front-end and backend developer as a career dies, probably desktop/mobile application development too. However, some of the more specialized software developer roles are likely to survive; none of the people on the Linux kernel team have anything to worry about and the same goes for the GCC folks.