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Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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I am recently diagnosed with Type II Diabetes. The classic symptoms were unknown to me until this point when I researched them. I had previously blamed psych medications for the symptoms, and while they may have exacerbated them, I guess diabetes was the real root cause. One of the symptoms is frequent urination. And so, every night I wake up every 2 hours or so and crawl into the bathroom. It’s legitimately a huge c…

The thing you might not be realizing is that sleep directly impacts your metabolic health. Yes, focus on diet, but sleep also drives diet desires. It's a vicious cycle.

Your comment about "not enough REM" sleep shows how little people truly understand about sleep. It's not REM (or even the amount of REM) that is the issue. REM is dreaming sleep and emotional processing. N3 and to a lesser extent N2, often referred to as deep sleep is the stage where the restorative activity and hormonal balance occurs.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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To be clear, they don't eat/feed at night either. The baby is in a separate room from us and we don't see or hear him most nights (95%+) between 7pm-6am. He's around 8.5 months old now and this has been the case for 3-4 months, although that percentage was a bit lower at the beginning. I'm emphasizing it bc many people are surprised by this, but if you know it's possible , you can start to work towards it. My partner…

4 month old should eat every 3-4 hours. You mentioned sleeping for 10-12h and this sounds almost harmful for the baby. I don't think I'd like that. Thanks for your recommendation anyway. I'm sure that there are many science-based techniques to "tame" children and make child care as atomic family bearable.

If you saw our baby, you wouldn't be worried at all that he's being underfed. Maybe the opposite. They'll want to eat every 3-4 hours during the day for sure; at night they can and do just sleep through it (same as me or you).

We didn't force anything or ignore him. And you don't have to believe me, but I'd encourage you to research more for yourself if waking up at night to feed a baby is something you're currently dealing with.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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I am recently diagnosed with Type II Diabetes. The classic symptoms were unknown to me until this point when I researched them. I had previously blamed psych medications for the symptoms, and while they may have exacerbated them, I guess diabetes was the real root cause. One of the symptoms is frequent urination. And so, every night I wake up every 2 hours or so and crawl into the bathroom. It’s legitimately a huge c…

The thing you might not be realizing is that sleep directly impacts your metabolic health. Yes, focus on diet, but sleep also drives diet desires. It's a vicious cycle. Your comment about "not enough REM" sleep shows how little people truly understand about sleep. It's not REM (or even the amount of REM) that is the issue. REM is dreaming sleep and emotional processing. N3 and to a lesser extent N2, often referred to…

Fine, fine, I get it. I am sort of chagrined that sibling comments are missing the whole point, and that is about quality of sleep and rest.

Having C-PTSD incipient since my childhood, I've really never, ever known what it's like to have a good night's restful sleep, or a regular schedule of days awake and nights asleep. It's been completely elusive to me. Obviously it is one of the most important things I could do, but how?

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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I haven't had a chance to read the entire article, but I can already tell that much of how the author viewed sleep in 2012 is not inline with current understandings in sleep science, though much of the wearable and sleep industry still promote this outdated view.

Disclosure: I am the co-founder & CEO of neurotech/sleeptech company https://affectablesleep.com

The post talks about "sleep deprivation" which most people, and most studies, view as reduced sleep time.

The latest research shows that sleep regularity is a better predictor of health (via morbidity) than sleep duration, even when sleep duration is taken into account. This is on our blog with links to research [1]

I have a few issues with the "sleep more" concept, and I often say that you wouldn't measure your diet based on how much time you spend chewing, so why do we think this is a good measure for sleep. The methodology for measuring sleep, particularly deep sleep, was defined in 1968 by the sleeping pattern 28 college aged men and 5 college aged women [2].

We are able to show that decreasing the Neural Function of Sleep, the vital processes of the brain that make sleep restorative, and specifically slow-wave activity, reduces the effectiveness of sleep without altering sleep time. We can also enhance the Neural Function of Sleep to improve health outcomes measured by memory, HRV, cortisol, immune function, and more [3] links to research.

This isn't just limited to a bunch of lab studies. As we age, the Neural Function of Sleep naturally declines, and this decline is linked to age related metabolic health, cardiac health, and of course neurological diseases and particularly dementia and Alzhiemer's. Overly focusing on "just get more sleep time" doesn't solve the problem.

To further the problem, people often blame sleep for their tiredness, when they have poor diet, don't exercise, and/or poor mental health (stress, burnout, depression, etc). You can complain all you want about the gas mileage on your car and try tuning your engine, etc, but if you've got flat tires, you're not going anywhere.

Our work in neurotech and specifically sleep is focused on some of these issues, though I think the more important thing is for people to

1) Understand what sleep schedule works for YOU and focus on consistency and regularity. 2) If you're "tired" ask yourself if you are "tired" or "lethargic" is sleep really to blame? Or could there be other things that are impacting how you feel, or impacting how well you are sleeping.

I equate what we know about sleep and the brain today as similar to what we knew about diet and exercise in the 70s. We knew it was important but we really didn't understand how it worked. What we will learn in the next decade will upend our current understanding and have a significant impact on health and longevity.

[1] https://blog.affectablesleep.com/p/the-hidden-work-of-sleep-...

[2] https://blog.affectablesleep.com/p/sleep-sciences-blind-spot...

[3] https://affectablesleep.com/how-it-works#research

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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I think a lot of it has to do with mental status, which can be concluded with one sentence -- "Are you happy with your life, and if not do you have a clear path to reach that?". People who say no probably has a lot of trouble to get fit, get enough sleep -- sometimes NOT because they do not have the resources, but because they are not happy. They hate life, so why makes it better? I have observed this in myself so I…

On the other hand, outcome-driven fitness (pursuing a goal like "i want to get shredded") never worked for me as well as process-focused. I have strong legs not because that was a goal, but because I fell in love with cycling and never set ANY goals, just enjoyed getting out and riding my serotonin machine. That might be more sustainable for some people, but if your interests/hobbies are constantly in flux (which min…

Same here, I guess this mode caters to specific type of personality (not obsessive about goals, achievements, not constantly comparing against others - at least I am none of those).

I like going to gym for past 15 years, it feels great to do some free weights. Not destroy myself, just a good workout. Body adjusting/maintaining not-a-bad-shape is a nice bonus.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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In my case, I often find life goals and enjoy the journey when I'm mentally healthy, not vice versa. I can't control my mood, but when I am positive, I start a new hobby like dancing or playing an instrument, cook healthy, lift, sleep well, study new things, etc. But when I'm depressed, I lose all interest in my life goals, eat junk food, skip exercise, and browse the Internet all night. I can't even enjoy my hobbies…

That could definitely the case. I can't really tell which one comes first, mood or objective.

It could be a bit like that elusive thing called motivation. "Just do it" seems so annoying when people say it but in my case sometimes its the only way to start building momentum. What im saying is dont wait for mood, perhaps the mood will develop once you obtain momentum on a goal or task.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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We're in the same boat. Feels like mostly our society doesn't value having children - it's by and large not a very well supported activity. Even more so if you don't have immediate family to help support you.

Where’d you go? We were told Ireland values children but that didn’t match our experience (we moved to the Netherlands which has been better at least)

Dont go to Switzerland. I can sing praise on this country for hours, but supporting families with kids aint one of the positives, in contrary.

So far the worst aspect of being and staying here (apart from one specific immigration bureaucrat in Geneva, but thats a long and very specific story). Even rather backwardish France has this aspect figured out much better.

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