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Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by ethbr1 »

torben-friis wrote: post #55
sassymuffinz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried Claude Code for a week straight recently to see what all the hype was about and while it pumped out a bunch of reasonable looking code and features I ended up feeling completely disconnected from my codebase and uncomfortable. Cancelled the plan I had with them and happily went back to just coding like normal in VSCode with occasional dips into Copilot when a need arose or for rubber ducking and planning. Fee…

>Anyone who says they're able to review thousands of lines effectively that Claude might slop out in a day are lying to themselves. The amount you can review before burning out is now the reasonable limit, for the same reason that a car is supposed to stay at the speed you can handle and not the max speed of the engine. Of course, many people are secretly skipping reviews and some dare to publicly advocate for gettin…

> The amount you can review before burning out is now the reasonable limit

I realized this is the crux of our moment, because a variant of Amdahl's law applies to AI code gen.

{time gained} = {time saved via gen AI} - {time spent in human review}

There's no way that results in a positive number with 100% human review coverage, which means that human review coverage is headed to < 100% (ideally as low as possible).

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by Morromist »

user34283 wrote: post #156
Morromist wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an AI company has done unethical things do you think it is inappropriate to discuss that? Take Grok: among other things it created sexualized images of underaged women without their consent, not by accident but as a feature. Is that just something you want to ignore? In response the people in charge merely restricted the feature to paid subscribers instead of removing it. Do you think people who mention grok creat…

I don't see a comment in this thread concretely discussing said unethical things. Not sure why you felt the need to switch the topic to Grok. About its nudification incident, it seems a bit far stretched to say that malicious actors bypassing its safety controls was not an accident. Initially, the image features were restricted to paying subscribers to prevent abuse by anonymous actors; this obviously happened while…

I switched to grok because its a very cut and dry case of an ai company having poor ethics.

To me it seems a LOT of a stretch to think that the people behind grok belived their safty controls worked, but you can belive that if you wish. Deepfakes of non-consenting adults were trending on X all the time, elon even appears to have shared them himself, which is pretty bad even if they're all just adults, and I'm sure you belive that they belived the AI could tell the difference between an underage person and an adult perfectly, although it seems clear they didn't test it very much.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by randomNumber7 »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #95

It really feels like LLMs will mostly become tools for tech workers rather than the kind of civilization-level transformation sama has been peddling. Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.

> Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.

The population on Hacker News heavily skewed towards tech workers so I wouldn't draw a conclusion from that.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by giwook »

Tiberium wrote: post #63
dimmke wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still worse than Anthropic's right? Because you get access to their top model even at the $20 price point

It's not worse, Anthropic simply has no equivalent model (if you don't consider Mythos) of GPT 5.4 Pro. Google does though: Gemini 3.1 Deep Think. GPT 5.4 Pro is extremely slow but thorough, so it's not meant for the usual agentic work, rather for research or solving hard bugs/math problems when you provide it all the context.

I'm genuinely asking, when you say Gemini 3.1 DT is an equivalent model of GPT 5.4 Pro, is there a specific benchmark/comparison you're referring to or is this more anecdotal?

And do you mean to say that you don't really use GPT 5.4 Pro unless it's for a hard bug? Curious which models you use for system design/architecture/planning vs execution of a plan/design.

TIA! I'm still trying to figure out an optimal system for leveraging all of the LLMs available to us as I've just been throwing 100% of my work at Claude Code in recent months but would like to branch out.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by thisisit »

antirez wrote: post #34

Very good move. In my experience, for system programming at least, GPT 5.4 xhigh is vastly superior to Claude Opus 4.6 max effort. I ran many brutal tests, including reconstructing for QEMU the SCSI controller (not longer accessible) of a SVSY UNIX of the early 90s used in a 386. Side by side, always re-mirroring the source trees each time one did a breakthrough in the implementation. Well, GPT 5.4 single handed did…

My non scientific tests has been that GPT models follow the prompts literally. Every time I give it an example, it uses the example in literal sense instead of using it to enhance its understanding of the ask. This is a good thing if I want it to follow instructions but bad if I want it to be creative. I have to tell it that the examples I gave are just examples and not to be used in output. I feel comfortable using it when I have everything mapped out.

Claude on the other hand can be creative. It understands that examples are for reference purposes only. But there are times it decides to off on a tangent on its own and decide not to follow instructions closely. I find it useful for bouncing off ideas or test something new,

The other thing I notice is Claude has slightly better UI design sensibilities even if you don’t give instructions. GPT on the other hand needs instructions otherwise every UI element will be so huge you need to double scroll to find buttons.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by giwook »

patates wrote: post #123
giwook wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mind elaborating on your experience here? Just curious as I've often heard that Claude was superior for planning/architecture work while ChatGPT was superior for actual implementation and finding bugs.

Claude makes more detailed plans that seem better if you just skim them, but when analyzed, has a lot of errors, usually. It compensates for most during implementation if you make it use TDD by using superpower et al, or just telling it to do so. GPT 5.4 makes more simple plans (compared to superpowers - a plugin from the official claude plugin marketplace - not the plan mode), but can better fill the details while i…

Interesting. Have you ever had Claude re-review its plan after having it draft the original plan? Or do you give it to GPT right away to review?

Just curious as I'm trying to branch out from using Claude for everything, and I've been following a somewhat similar workflow to yours, except just having Claude review and re-review its plan (sometimes using different roles, e.g. system architect vs SWE vs QA eng) and it will similarly identify issues that it missed originally.

But now I'm curious to try this while weaving in more GPT.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by randomNumber7 »

hyperionultra wrote: post #15
selectively wrote: post #2

Price drops are nice. Unfortunately, the quality differential versus the competitor is night and day. And everyone serious uses the API rate billing anyway.

Disagree. I use codex extensively. It just works so well with vscode and python. Claude with ridiculous limits - thanks no. For some even xAI is good fit.

> For some even xAI is good fit.

Grok makes sense if you want s.th. less censored that is not biased towards woke ideology.

I don't see how this matters for coding though. I only use it to give me a summary of recent news (so I don't have to actually read the bs newspapers and X posts myself).

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by bitwize »

sassymuffinz wrote: post #145
bluegatty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like calling a posture 'ignorant' , but I think that's what we have here. I don't mean that as an insult. It's likely you didn't learn how to use the tool properly, and I'd suggest 'trying again' because not using AI soon will be tantamount to digging holes with shovels instead of using construction equipment. Yes, we still need our 'core skill's but, we're not going to be able to live without the leverage of…

Like I said I still use Copilot as needed, I just don't trust Claude to go off on its own and generate a mountain of technical debt that I can't 100% trust. To use your own analogy, there's plenty of carpenters still around for when someone needs something doing properly and bespoke, even though we can all go to Ikea, or any other flat pack furniture company, to get wobbly furniture cheaply at any time. I'd rather be…

No one is paying a liveable wage for purely human-authored code anymore. This is the job now, and you are far more effective with these tools than without. If you still have an issue with their output, that's a PEBKAC and you need to upskill and/or attitude adjust. Stop thinking like a programmer and start thinking like a business person. Delegate! It doesn't matter if the machine wrote code just the way you would have, only that it gets you closer to the goal, and the machine can help with vetting and assuring that it does. If you choose to remain stubborn and closed-minded, what you will find is that clients will not care about the "human touch" in their code, and some AI-assisted consultant will come along and deliver more for less money, drinking your entire fucking milkshake.

In 2005, Tim Bryce wrote that programmers were by and large a lazy, discipline-averse lot who are of average intelligence at best but get very precious about their "craft", not realizing that it's only a small part of a greater whole and it's the business people who drive actual value in a company. AI is proving him 100% correct.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by wolttam »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #112
wolttam wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of the goldilocks zone for LLMs right now. I wouldn't mistake this for any kind of capability plateau. There is a massive push towards making transformers the engine of humanoid (and other kinds of) robotics, we just haven't reached the hype moment for those yet.

> I wouldn't mistake this for any kind of capability plateau. There is a massive push towards making transformers the engine of humanoid (and other kinds of) robotics, we just haven't reached the hype moment for those yet. Problem is that the fuel to get this train going relies on investors money. Investors aren't going to be happy with the quote I took from your message. And that's the real bet really, can the indus…

Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics.

And plenty of very wealthy folks see the writing on the wall wrt robotics.

Re: ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month

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Post by simianwords »

giwook wrote: post #174
Tiberium wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not worse, Anthropic simply has no equivalent model (if you don't consider Mythos) of GPT 5.4 Pro. Google does though: Gemini 3.1 Deep Think. GPT 5.4 Pro is extremely slow but thorough, so it's not meant for the usual agentic work, rather for research or solving hard bugs/math problems when you provide it all the context.

I'm genuinely asking, when you say Gemini 3.1 DT is an equivalent model of GPT 5.4 Pro, is there a specific benchmark/comparison you're referring to or is this more anecdotal? And do you mean to say that you don't really use GPT 5.4 Pro unless it's for a hard bug? Curious which models you use for system design/architecture/planning vs execution of a plan/design. TIA! I'm still trying to figure out an optimal system f…

Pro and DT model are equivalents because

- internally same architecture of best of N

- not available in the code harness like Codex, only in the UI (gpt has API)

- GPT-5.4 pro is extremely expensive: $30.00 input vs $180.00 output

- both DT and Pro are really good at solving math problems

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