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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

Ok, I've switched the link above to that and put the submitted URL in the toptext.

If there are other good links, we can add them.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Always look at the actions, not the talks. Reality on the ground is: US has been amassing troops in tens of thousands. Their mercenary IDF is claiming territory like a field day. Market has barely capitulated (which is the only thing this admin care about). I expect this is just Trump buying time until he launches ground invasion after two weeks of failed negotiation. You don't spend millions sending tens of thousand…

> they are all for ground invasion

Ahh those titans of military stragegy.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#173

Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

Yep. No way they’re opening the Strait of Hormuz until the US/Israel gets the fuck out of Iran.

And no way US stops bombing them unless they open the strait (I say US because Israel doesnt care about the strait).

I think such an agreement is plausible. Trump really cares about oil prices, and i imagine Iranian leadership would really like to stop being bombed.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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post #134

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No available evidence suggests that Trump and Hegseth don't just like blowing up children.

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Whatabouting the "other guy" doesn't make any kind of cogent point here.

The Ayatollah was fucking awful. Trump is awful. Hegseth is awful. They are/were all three fucking awful.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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post #57

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If the Dems win the house in the midterms he will be impeached again. If there are 60 votes in the senate he will be out. Dems are unlikely to win the senate, let alone 60 seats. It’s a bizarre situation in that US elections have such a huge impact on a world that has no say.

Trump has been impeached before. Doesn't matter. The seriousness of the word 'impeachment' has been greatly devalued.

He's been impeached by the _house_ not by the Senate. The US Senate is extremely complicit with the administration. Something the founders did not intend

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#176

Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

Israel seems likely to do anything they can to start things up again.

They will try for a last minute "false flag" to bait the US to think that Iran broke the ceasefire first as always.

To Downvoters: You do understand that it was Israel that attacked first right? They are not happy with this provisional ceasefire agreement.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Didn't the US and Israel gather intelligence during previous "talks" which ended up with senior Iranian leadership dead? It seems unlikely that this relationship would be fixed by now, and a deal would require big concessions from one side... of which one is polling real badly at home currently. Between the threats to NATO allies, high oil prices, lifting of sanctions on Russian oil, US personnel losing their lives,…

He was convinced for other reasons to proceed with the operation. Reasons to do with what might happen to him personally if not.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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"We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated." The ten point plan which had previously been rejected outright? The 10-point plan which leaves Iran in an incredibly better finan…

> what did the US gain out of this? The best steelman argument[1] is that it was a failed gamble. The protests of a few months back (also the improbable success in Venezuela) made them think they could topple the regime. They couldn't. It's been clear for weeks now that the US has lost this war. The only question was how long it would take Trump to disengage and what the trigger would be. And the answers appear to be…

> Which... I mean, steelman analysis has its place. But really no, this was just dumb.

I rarely hear people use the term "steelman" while arguing in good faith. It's basically a tacit admission that you are either advancing a position that you don't actually hold (why...?), or more likely you know it's an unpopular position and you want to argue it while having plausible deniability that you may not actually hold it (which is just cowardly).

Stepping through other peoples logic to understand why they may have a position that you do not understand/agree with is sensible for sure. But if you do that in conversation with others so often that you need to preface it with a special term I'm going to be suspicious that you're just trying to obfuscate your actual opinions.

(see also: "just playing devil's advocate here, but...")

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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post #157

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So resistance against genocide is bad but the genocide is fine? There are clear good and bad guys here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing

Good ol genocidal Bulgaria I guess huh?

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

#180

Better article with text: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/07/trump-iran-w... > Israel will also agree to the two-week ceasefire, Axios reported, citing an Israeli official, adding that the ceasefire would enter effect as soon as the blockade of the strait of Hormuz ceased There’s the catch.

Israel seems likely to do anything they can to start things up again.

They dont have to do anything but wait. Its only a 2 week ceasefire.
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