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Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by muyuu »

redml wrote: post #115

this is indicative to me that the exponential is slowing down. tool and model progress was huge in 2025 but has been pretty stale this year. the usage changes from anthropic, gemini, and openai indicate it's just a scale of economy issue now so unless there's a major breakthrough they're just going to settle down as vendors of their own particular similar flavor of apis.

I don't think there has been any exponential in terms on inference costs in the last couple of years. In fact, they have worsened as the same relevant hardware is more expensive and so is energy - and to top it off, to stay SotA companies are using larger models with higher running costs. But for some reason people are conflating the improvements in models with the cost of inference.

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by __mharrison__ »

verdverm wrote: post #64
selectodude wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which version of Qwen 3.5 did you use?

which quant as well

Not at my computer now, either 27 or 35b not quantized.

Next week I will be trying qwopus 27b.

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by lelanthran »

JesseTG wrote: post #18
thejazzman wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s kind of a rug pull to effectively raise the price like 10x. I can’t afford to finish some of my projects with this change

Is writing it by hand the old-fashioned way not on the table?

> Is writing it by hand the old-fashioned way not on the table?

Of course it is. I started a (commercial) product in Jan, on track for in-field testing at the end of April.

Of course, it's not my f/time job, so I've only been working on it a/hours, but, with the exception of two functions, everything else is hand-coded.

I rubber-ducked with AI, but they never wrote the product for me (other than those two functions which I felt too lazy to copy from an existing project and fixup to work in the new project).

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by timacles »

AstroBen wrote: post #28

Things must be bad if they're doing this before their IPO

Yeah you guys have to pay attention to the state of the overall economy. We are in the credit-crunch phase of a recession. The funny money has ran out and infinite loans are no longer available. These companies have to find way to pay their debt now

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #117
supliminal wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time an Ed Zitron article is posted on HN, it is met with a torrent of vitriol and personal attacks. The articles are okay if not overly wordy but I don’t see how the subject matter elicits that strong of a response. At any rate, this observation is not unique to Ed, lots of people have made the same conclusion that the math doesn’t add up from a business profitability perspective.

I agree with Ed Zitron more often than not, but I do think he Flanderized himself into being the aggressively-anti-AI-guy to the point where he now makes claims about the capabilities of "AI" that are incorrect regularly. I see people on HN doing the same thing, making claims about capabilities that were true as recently as 6 months ago, but aren't true anymore. [I'm an AI-doomer myself, but I am an AI-doomer because…

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Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

supliminal wrote: post #33
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #15

Sounds like a death knell to me. If I recall correctly, Ed Zitron noted in a recent article that one of the horsemen of his AI-pocalypse would be price hikes from providers.

Every time an Ed Zitron article is posted on HN, it is met with a torrent of vitriol and personal attacks. The articles are okay if not overly wordy but I don’t see how the subject matter elicits that strong of a response. At any rate, this observation is not unique to Ed, lots of people have made the same conclusion that the math doesn’t add up from a business profitability perspective.

Yeah I've noticed this phenomenon as well. Frankly, I expected to be downvoted into oblivion just for mentioning him. But Zitron's commentary on the financial implications of AI usually reads as common sense to me and checks out (granted I'm not really capable of refuting his points.)

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

thejazzman wrote: post #123
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I took on some thins that would normally take 5-10 people and many months. Based on what, exactly? It's very easy to claim some software would've taken you months to make, but this is ridiculous. Estimating project duration is well known to be impossible in this field. A few years ago you'd get laughed out the room for making such predictions. > I’ve only got so much savings left to live on. Respectfully, what are…

I’ve pivoted to writing native iOS, macOS, windows, Linux apps. Most of my career has been front end web. It would take me awhile just to learn and practice, vs having my visions working in hours or days I’m not ready to unveil the thing I alluded to, it’s important to me that it’s good and polished. But I’ve done quite well so far developing in Swift, Rust, Go, and coming up with marketing and design — things I defi…

> So much domain expertise or tedious math involved — I simply wouldn’t have bothered on my own, pre-AI

This is what I was alluding to. AI did not let you write software you couldn't otherwise make, or let you write it faster. You skipped doing the research because AI gave you plausible results, but without doing the research yourself you cannot be sure of it's accuracy.

That isn't faster software development, it's reckless software development, and nothing really stopped you from doing it before other than your own recognition that pulling numbers out of your ass is a bad idea.

> I agree it’s a huge existential risk that everyone is also amazing. So far that’s not true. I get hung up on a lot of little quirks, like getting Dolby Vision to play properly on Apple Silicon without Vulcan. Something I accomplished after about 2 weeks of relentless determination.

That would be "doing the research", and as you have observed, is the slow part then and now.

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by hokkos »

aulin wrote: post #116
__mharrison__ wrote: post #11

For the past month, I've been claiming that $20/mo codex is the best deal in AI. Now I'm going to have to find the new best deal.

GH Copilot is still the best deal, while it lasts

I feel they will go token base at some point, currently if you only use it with precise prompts and not random suggestions, switch between models 5.4 and 5.4 mini depending on the work, it is the best deal.

Re: Codex pricing to align with API token usage, instead of per-message

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

cududa wrote: post #31
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #15

Sounds like a death knell to me. If I recall correctly, Ed Zitron noted in a recent article that one of the horsemen of his AI-pocalypse would be price hikes from providers.

That guy has his own form of AI psychosis

I'd say he's allowed his "mostly correct" opinion on the financial situation to color his "mostly incorrect" opinion on actual AI usefulness.

I wouldn't call it psychosis though. He's committing a natural fallacy where expertise in one area doesn't lend itself to expertise in another.

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