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The FAA’s flight restriction for drones is an attempt to criminalize filming ICE

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Post by sheikhnbake »

amelius wrote: post #147
sheikhnbake wrote: post #146

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The 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 11th Circuit Courts of Appeals have recognized the First Amendment right to record law enforcement in public. The inclusion of drones and vehicles doesn't really change that.

Yes, but what if the drone followed a car they __believe__ is law enforcement (where in reality it is not)?

US doesn't have an expectation of privacy in public spaces. This allows for filming of anyone/anything in a public space. Following a specific individual or vehicle in public doesn't make a difference.

Simply filming in public is not a nuisance and should not be illegal.

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Post by ceejayoz »

charcircuit wrote: post #57
ceejayoz wrote: post #21

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> It should be possible to get rid of 99% all illegals in less than 2 years. The Nazis couldn't even manage it with a smaller population in six years.

Technology has advanced a lot since then. We should be able to enforce laws better now than compared to any point in history.

"It's fine, AI lets us automate the concentration camps!"

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Post by FireBeyond »

quantummagic wrote: post #86
Terr_ wrote: post #64

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> Awesome idea [...] Or did you perhaps have some gerrymandering-esque idea to limit these 'benefits' to liberal metropolitan areas? What? It sounds like you're crowing over some kind of "gotcha", but what is it? If we both agree on the same principle, what's the problem? Namely, that citizens being disproportionately (un)represented in their "democratic" government is typically bad , and especially when it's just fr…

But they weren't just "ancient" quirks. They were commitments made to your fellow Americans in smaller states. Commitments that were required to allow the formation of the country at all; and as such should be shown a little more respect than being referred to as ancient quirks. That's not to say that they should be forever set in stone, but we should at least proceed with an honest portrayal of why we're in this sit…

> That's not to say that they should be forever set in stone

In fact, they were intended to be _actively_ reviewed and updated every 2-3 decades. But we don't and haven't done that, for and around the EC in particular, since at least the Civil War.

And when people talk about it, they're immediately assumed to have ill intent. In fact, they too, by talking about it, are also following the covenants of the same people who made those "commitments".

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Post by ultrarunner »

sudonem wrote: post #166
fc417fc802 wrote: post #103

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> First they can shoot down your drone. So treat them as disposable. > Second they can ban you from ever flying one again. Thankfully I can purchase them at Costco last I checked. Good luck with that. (TBF don't actually do that as it will 100% be traced to you. The general principle still applies though.) The correct answer here is to relentlessly use drones to film them in such a way that it isn't obvious who is do…

As a general point of information: The FAA very clearly has jurisdiction to “all navigable airspace” which is broadly defined as “all airspace immediately above ground level”. Which is to say, there’s no minimum height threshold under which you could fly a drone (outdoors) where the FAA doesn’t have full legal jurisdiction. You can say you feel it’s overreach, but it’s well established that the courts do not agree. H…

We run into this with drone filming from county and state lands. The governments assert a right to the airspace above their parks, which is almost certainly unenforceable. However, the governments do issue permits, which one can imagine become significantly more limited in scope once an airspace lawsuit is filed. Ergo, the courts can say whatever they want, but in practice it's even more restrictive than that.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

wewtyflakes wrote: post #77
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #61

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Remember posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of the autocracy. They will gaslight you, make you feel like you are the crazy one, and be the first to say you deserved it when you have finally have had enough and decided to push back.

It’s posts like this and how they are so glib in the face of autisitic-level lack of empathy.

You people seriously can’t even for an instant entertain that you have been misled, lied to, it’s always those other people.

There is no topic you are wrong on, wow, amazing!

You aren’t the ones parroting a narrative (that always seemingly for no reason at all favors say… China), no no, it’s the other side, they’re the cult, they are the sheep, and they’re controlled by Koch’s or Jews or whatever.

If you grew up in the life of a conservative person, you would vote and think like them. End of story. You aren't special, you’re just another cog.

You aren’t morally superior, you aren’t even actually all that different from the people you have been told to hate. You’ve been conditioned that the world is ending by a trillions of dollars media campaign your entire life and that every person in power that doesn’t play a specific game is Hilter and fascism is on its way.

Consider this… what if you are the crazy one? How would you know it? Because you’re smarter? Because you have an innate ability to align with a group but somehow also maintained the ability to see outside of it?

We’ve never had an objectively better world for all humans, and yet you been programmed to subjectively consider it never worse. Hedonic treadmill doesn’t begin to cover it.

All your claims just sound like game to me. The good people are politically homeless, and you seem to be not that.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

justin66 wrote: post #143
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #122

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That's perfect, actually! We should do that in France, so only people who actually need the money will make the effort. As is, we have some middle class "hippies" finding ways to backpack travel across the world on the taxpayers' dime.

The main thing I’m getting from this comment is that Fox News must exist in France.

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Post by charcircuit »

ceejayoz wrote: post #172
charcircuit wrote: post #57

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Technology has advanced a lot since then. We should be able to enforce laws better now than compared to any point in history.

"It's fine, AI lets us automate the concentration camps!"

Even without AI there have been many advances such as video cameras or dna which can be used as evidence to help solve crimes.

This idea that "the nazis had laws so it is bad for us to also have laws" is not going to work on people anymore.

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Post by ceejayoz »

charcircuit wrote: post #177
ceejayoz wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's fine, AI lets us automate the concentration camps!"

Even without AI there have been many advances such as video cameras or dna which can be used as evidence to help solve crimes. This idea that "the nazis had laws so it is bad for us to also have laws" is not going to work on people anymore.

Yes, and doing that still takes time. Murder trials take years and significant human time. Even parking tickets require several people to show up in a physical location to address if you contest them.

So, you either do the proper, constitutionally required procedure - which takes time - or you take the Nazi approach of... significant shortcuts. And even there, it remains quite labor intensive.

And now, oops… lettuce is $20/head, and the international community is working to send you to The Hague.

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Post by Ms-J »

Wouldn't it be possible to use a printed drone or one with flashed firmware to remove the spying such as broadcasting an ID?

If the drone is stolen by the police there wouldn't be any identifying info and by that time the operator would be able to leave the area without them tracing the signal back to the source.

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