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Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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post #122

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I believe the movie Aliens (1986) has one of the best movie uses of auto turrets.

Sourcing enough functioning GRID laptops might pose a challenge https://github.com/tschak909/UA571C https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/grid-os-developmen...

The name gives it away:

UA 571-C remote gun sentry

Obviously developed in Ukraine ;-)

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

#172
post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day?

> Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game?

But then how will you gain new territory for oligarchs and billionaires? Are you really ready for the sacrifice that their next yacht will be smaller instead of larger? Do you really want them to withdraw from London's real estate market?

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

#173
post #8

This smells more like military propagand, i.e., bullshit. There is no way this is honest or real, i.e., it somehow fought off a tactical unit trying to take the frontline that this drone was holding? Or was it just parked in some area where there was no tactical point of even taking the territory? Just by virtue of its nature, a single drone and/or a well placed dumb grenade, not even to mention likely a smoke grenad…

Perhaps it would be helpful to view the claims of this article through a cost/benefit analysis? Clearly if the opponent had wanted to defeat this vehicle and take this ground, they could have. That said, it seems likely that this vehicle substantially increased the expected cost of taking this ground, and it did so at very little cost/risk to the defenders. This sort of device dramatically changes the equation of con…

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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post #48
post #8

This smells more like military propagand, i.e., bullshit. There is no way this is honest or real, i.e., it somehow fought off a tactical unit trying to take the frontline that this drone was holding? Or was it just parked in some area where there was no tactical point of even taking the territory? Just by virtue of its nature, a single drone and/or a well placed dumb grenade, not even to mention likely a smoke grenad…

AIUI, a current common tactic for the Russians is sending many small groups of untrained "solders" out probe the front lines and try to penetrate undefended spots. They take a ton of casualties, but some make it through, and they gradually build up, and then try to take action.

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Where is the assumptions? it is not just world. It is a world ruled by constrains and for better or worse human nature. There is no people involved at all, in fact my argument is that there will be no people involved in wars..I'm just extrapolating on the what we are seeing today. Also nobody really understands reality fully not predict the future. We are just speculating here on what might happen. You surely don't u…

The goal of war is to subjugate others to your will through suffering. That will not change, and I'm not sure how you expect that to work with zero human involvement.

Again, you don't understand my argument at all.

Of course the goal of the war is to make others to submit by force and pain. That's obvious

But you missing my point.

If in the near future multilateral system, governed by AI, drones and robotics. A war is nothing more than a war of attrition between economies, then in a global interconnected economy with scarce energy, it will become an absurd proposition because one nation can't cause significant bleed in other without bleeding itself.

Without human involvement and other players forces energy leakage in the global economy, it's not hard to see how. In fact we are seeing right now. It's why Trump is pulling back.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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The goal of war is to subjugate others to your will through suffering. That will not change, and I'm not sure how you expect that to work with zero human involvement.

Again, you don't understand my argument at all. Of course the goal of the war is to make others to submit by force and pain. That's obvious But you missing my point. If in the near future multilateral system, governed by AI, drones and robotics. A war is nothing more than a war of attrition between economies, then in a global interconnected economy with scarce energy, it will become an absurd proposition because one…

Except that is not what is happening at all.

Trump started the war to distract everyone, and we’ll all keep dealing with the fallout while he moves on to create another distraction.

It isn’t going to actually end anytime soon.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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post #106

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I am not making fun. If it seems that way, I misspoke. I think that any war is terrifying and this one more than any other I know of. The way I imagine the attacks this UGV defended against is small groups of men deemed expendable knowingly going to their very likely deaths. Yes, this is part of a bigger Russian strategy which is very dangerous and unfortunately, so far, too effective.

When you don’t value humanity, the ugly fact is that people grow faster than trees.

Considering Russian demographics I kinda doubt it.

The reality is that Russia is not gaining anything in this war- it just keeps Putin in power.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Perhaps it would be helpful to view the claims of this article through a cost/benefit analysis? Clearly if the opponent had wanted to defeat this vehicle and take this ground, they could have. That said, it seems likely that this vehicle substantially increased the expected cost of taking this ground, and it did so at very little cost/risk to the defenders. This sort of device dramatically changes the equation of con…

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Yes very comical the Russians have been laughing for the last 2 years...

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

#179
post #25

Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking. A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. A…

From the video with one of these robots (maybe the one in the story?)

>We prepared for the combat use of these modules for a very long time. It was a very difficult sector on which the enemy was constantly conducting assault actions. That's why the infantry needed reinforcements. But the robot drone didn't just drive onto the position for a day. Instead of real fighters, an iron one held the line for a month and a half and actually fooled the Russians because they didn't even think about something like this. (https://youtu.be/Ir6sNgW91Hw?t=226)

"Very difficult" and constants assaults doesn't sound like what you describe.

I have to say if I was defending against Russians trying to kill me I'd much rather operate the gun remotely from behind a hill than sit there in range.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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post #25

Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking. A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. A…

> 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death

Yeah, excepts apparently these good for nothing oldtimers are taking 5 to 10 square kilometers per day against entrenched integrated force, capable of launching dozens of killer drones per target at a moment notice. Do you feel the inconsistency here? I do.

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