The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

In this context, what I expanded above as foisting onto others the responsibility for the effort required by what we want to accomplish.

> Why do you believe pointing to the manual is newbie friendly?

To the documentation, which may or may not be a manpage; as it's usually done in response to a request for the information contained therein, I do find it reasonable.

> OpenBSD serves an important niche, but to brand it as newbie-friendly does OpenBSD a disservice.

We're discussing OpenBSD's community, not the system itself.

> Or perhaps you mean newbie tolerant?

I meant what I wrote, that I find the community to be the opposite of "notoriously terrible and unwelcoming to newbies," by which I do not imply newbie-friendliness in a kindergarten sense.

The community makes the system and decides what’s tolerable. That is to say, the community decides the type of users it expects to serve.

When your own example of laziness is to provide a script and someone fails to run a script; you’re comparing to a time when RTFM was the Linux norm. But those days where RTFM to newbies were tolerable are long gone.

So OpenBSD was the friendlier community then; it’s a niche and insular community today.

So while I agree it’s not a terrible community, I also wouldn’t say it’s inviting.

> I meant what I wrote, that I find the community to be the opposite of "notoriously terrible and unwelcoming to newbies," by which I do not imply newbie-friendliness in a kindergarten sense.

I mean, it’s not inviting to newbies either; which is the plain reading and understanding of “opposite” of what the OP stated.

Instead it’s “tolerant”, a term which for some reason you don’t seem to like.

I’d ask if you’re Theo, mainly due to the strange back and forth we’re having over semantics and a concern over the OpenBSD community reputation.

Sure, but the community isn't the system; it may inform the direction the system will take, but there isn't a 1:1 equivalence between their respective qualities at any point and across different levels. I made a statement about the OpenBSD community, you implied I was doing a disservice in making such statement about OpenBSD, so I pointed out the distinction.

> When your own example of laziness is to provide a script

We seem to be having different conversations. How did you get "provide a script and someone fails run a script" from "foisting onto others the responsibility for the effort required by what we want to accomplish"?

> So while I agree it’s not a terrible community, I also wouldn’t say it’s inviting.

So... We're mostly on the same page? I opposed someone's claim that it was "notoriously terrible and unwelcoming to newbies." I disagree on both counts. I didn't claim it to be inviting, however, which I find distinct from welcoming: I perceive the former as indicative of an active effort or the desire to attract new members or of is being perceive as attractive from the outside.

> I mean, it’s not inviting to newbies either; which is the plain reading and understanding of “opposite” of what the OP stated.

It's a community that can help a newbie grow in different ways; to increase in knowledge and refine the craft; to be demanding on oneself and to take criticism; so, I find it the opposite of "notoriously terrible."

It accepts anyone interested in learning and willing to make the effort to learn. The community cares about OpenBSD; someone likewise interested in OpenBSD won't be turned always due to politics. So, yes, I find it welcoming.

Is it for everyone? What is? The barbecue club may be the most welcoming place on earth without its being the best fit for a vegetarian.

> Instead it’s “tolerant”, a term which for some reason you don’t seem to like.

I don't see how my preferring my own choice of words over a proposed alternative is indicate of my having something against the latter.

You may want to consider how often, and specially how seriously, you engage with different viewpoints if your first reaction to what looks like is to suppose a mistake and the second is to assume a personal limitation.

> I’d ask if you’re Theo mainly due to the strange back and forth we’re having over semantics and a concern over the OpenBSD community reputation.

Someone commented. I disagreed. You disagreed — on semantics. I expanded. You pushed. And so on. I'm not seeing any of this as some battle for a community's reputation. It's just a discussion.

They're as unreadable as they're vague.