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Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

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Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #165

I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

> it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world".

Qwen thinking likes to second-guess itself a LOT when faced with simple/vague prompts like that. (I'll answer it this way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it that way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it this way... lather, rinse, repeat.) I suppose this is their version of "super smart fancy thinking mode". Try something more complex instead.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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LLMs on device is the future. It's more secure and solves the problem of too much demand for inference compared to data center supply, it also would use less electricity. It's just a matter of getting the performance good enough. Most users don't need frontier model performance.

> would use less electricity Sorry to shatter your bubble, but this is patently false, LLMs are far more efficient on hardware that simultaneously serves many requests at once. There's also the (environmental and monetary) cost of producing overpowered devices that sit idle when you're not using them, in contrast to a cloud GPU, which can be rented out to whoever needs it at a given moment, potentially at a lower cos…

> Sorry to shatter your bubble, but this is patently false, LLMs are far more efficient on hardware that simultaneously serves many requests at once.

You might want to read this: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.05317v2

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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LLMs on device is the future. It's more secure and solves the problem of too much demand for inference compared to data center supply, it also would use less electricity. It's just a matter of getting the performance good enough. Most users don't need frontier model performance.

I disagree with every sentence of this. > solves the problem of too much demand for inference False, it creates consumer demand for inference chips, which will be badly utilised. > also would use less electricity What makes you think that? (MAYBE you can save power on cooling. But not if the data center is close to a natural heat sink) > It's just a matter of getting the performance good enough. The performance limit…

> False, it creates consumer demand for inference chips, which will be badly utilised.

I think the opposite is true. Local inference doesn't have to go over the wire and through a bunch of firewalls and what have you. The performance from just regular consumer hardware with local, smaller models is already decent. You're utilizing the hardware you already have.

> The performance limitations are inherent to the limited compute and memory.

When you plug in a local LLM and inference engine into an agent that is built around the assumption of using a cloud/frontier model then that's true.

But agents can be built around local assumptions and more specific workflows and problems. That also includes the model orchestration and model choice per task (or even tool).

The Jevons Paradox comes into play with using cloud models. But when you have less resources you are forced to move into more deterministic workflows. That includes tighter control over what the agent can do at any point in time, but also per project/session workflows where you generate intermediate programs/scripts instead of letting the agent just do what ever it wants.

I give you an example:

When you ask a cloud based agent to do something and it wants more information, it will often do a series of tool calls to gather what it thinks it needs before proceeding. Very often you can front load that part, by first writing a testable program that gathers most of the necessary information up front and only then moving into an agentic workflow.

This approach can produce a bunch of .json, .md files or it can move things into a structured database or you can use embeddings or what have you.

This can save you a lot of inference, make things more reusable and you don't need a model that is as capable if its context is already available and tailored to a specific task.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #86

I created "apfel" https://github.com/Arthur-Ficial/apfel a CLI for the apple on-device local foundation model (Apple intelligence) yeah its super limited with its 4k context window and super common false positives guardrails (just ask it to describe a color) ... bit still ... using it in bash scripts that just work without calling home / out or incurring extra costs feels super powerful.

…is it a reference to apfelwein?

just german for apple, cause reasons

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#176
post #165

I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

> it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Qwen thinking likes to second-guess itself a LOT when faced with simple/vague prompts like that. (I'll answer it this way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it that way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it this way... lather, rinse, repeat.) I suppose this is their version of "super smart fancy thi…

Indeed. Qwen doesn’t just second guess itself, it third and fourth guesses itself.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #165

I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

Well, two things. First, “hi” isn’t a good prompt for these thinking models. They’ll have an identity crisis trying to answer it. Stupid, but it’s how it is. Stick to real questions.

Second, for the best performance on a Mac you want to use an MLX model.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…is it a reference to apfelwein?

just german for apple, cause reasons

I thought it was a reference to Wine, the Linux Wine, and then thought of apfelwein. Nvm!

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #165

I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

> it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Qwen thinking likes to second-guess itself a LOT when faced with simple/vague prompts like that. (I'll answer it this way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it that way. Generating output. Wait, I'll answer it this way... lather, rinse, repeat.) I suppose this is their version of "super smart fancy thi…

OK thanks! That's helpful. I ignorantly assumed simpler prompt == faster first response.
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