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Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by erklik »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #83
Shank wrote: post #12

Page 7 [0] of the report seems to indicate that FGM reconstruction actually seems to have negative outcomes post-surgery. I'm surprised by this. I'm also shocked to see how prolific FGM is too (230 million women?!). [0]: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.64898/2026.03.18.712572v1...

> I'm also shocked to see how prolific FGM is too (230 million women?!) And talk to any gyn doc in the west: it's happening among those communities in the west too (but on a lesser scale). In several EU western countries the most common gynelogical surgery act is re-building the hymen (so that the woman can pretend she's a virgin once she marries, often forcibly by her family). You may not have gyn doctors friend but…

> Let's call a cat: of these 230 mutilated women, a vast majority are muslims. There are 900 million muslim women on earth and nearly 1/4th of them have been mutilated by their community.

If the point here is that this is an Islamic/Muslim issue, then you'd find this in other Muslim populations. It's an Africa issue. Ethiopia is 60% Christian, yet had a 65 percent rate of FGM. Look at Pakistan, and the levant in general. Very Muslim populations yet very low levels of FGM.

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by erklik »

filoleg wrote: post #167
selimthegrim wrote: post #157

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Saudi Arabia does not do FGM. What does that tell you?

I am not the person you are asking, but (to me personally) it just says that Saudi Arabia had made massive strides to become a modern 21st century society, as opposed to some of their regional neighbors who still practice FGM on a notable scale. The fact that SA recently (past ~15 years) passed quite a few reforms that significantly lax old theocracy rules (e.g., women are now legally allowed to drive, they are no lo…

> I am not the person you are asking, but (to me personally) it just says that Saudi Arabia had made massive strides to become a modern 21st century society, as opposed to some of their regional neighbors who still practice FGM on a notable scale.

That assumes that Saudis did use to do FGM.. and that's not true either.

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by brailsafe »

Jarwain wrote: post #126
brailsafe wrote: post #122

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Allowlist/Denylist are clear and perhaps more specific, but blacklist/whitelist are not arbitrary, they're just using black in valid ways according to common English dictionaries, which is similar to how other languages use the word black, but it is less specific. > If you'd like to explain Why the word means what it does I'd love to hear it Simply because black means different things depending on the context. Evil,…

I'm not trying to argue about validity here, but rather that these definitions/meanings of the word black are not "primary" definitions but secondary meanings based on that contextual/cultural/colloquial use. Arbitrary in the sense that that "commonality" is arbitrary and cultural, and language could just have easily developed to flip the colloquial definition. Contrasted against using words where the Primary definit…

> Imagine an alien culture encountering the word. Blacklist versus Denylist.

Seems like it's just another step in developing one's language skills, no more or less ambiguous than "deny" for someone who doesn't know either word, but I'd wager than "black" would probably be encountered earlier in the vocab training list. It's a bit of a stretch, imo. "Reject" or "Turn-away" or "Block" works too, as well as many others, language is flexible, it doesn't seem names for lists are worth so much energy.

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by LoganDark »

nineteen999 wrote: post #147
LoganDark wrote: post #107

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What? That practice is absolutely terrible. Many people just have no idea about it, and then their offspring might grow up with terrible shame or something if they ever learn what was taken from them. Alcohol is also terrible. Nicotine is terrible. Even caffeine can be terrible if you become too dependent on it without realizing. Harm reduction is a thing that can make things less terrible but most users don't practi…

> Which is pretty much how morals are decided these days, especially for the non-autistic / "neurotypical" population Give it a break. Nothing isolates "neurodivergent" people from the rest of society faster than treating neurotypical people as a morally inferior out-group.

I don't know where you got inferiority from that, but it's a well-documented phenomenon that autistic people are more likely to go against the norm than non-autistic people. It's called "positive non-conformity". This suggests non-autistic people are more likely than autistic people to accept how things are and perpetuate it.

While I have many autistic friends from abusive living situations that were forced to accept how things were, I find that the autistic people I meet still tend to be much more varied than the non-autistic. Though I don't know for sure whether this is a side effect of their neurotype or of their societal treatment.

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Post by denkmoon »

reverius42 wrote: post #170
denkmoon wrote: post #86

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Whether removing the tip of your finger or the whole arm, the imposition on bodily autonomy is equal. It is a violation of your personal sovereignty at the deepest level.

What about fingernails? Would cutting a fingernail without consent be equal?

Absolutely. Let's switch away from fingernails to hair because that's something I can talk about with person experience. I have long hair, plenty of people have jokingly threatened to cut it in my sleep or such. To have my hair cut like that would impart no physical injury or ailment to me at all, but it would be such a severe violation of my bodily autonomy that I would have no reservation about considering it assault and bringing charges as such.

I think your point is that fingernails are just a bit of extraneous keratin that is universally removed as part of grooming and so the violation cannot be equal to having your entire arm removed, but perhaps you forget the many women and some men out there who like to decorate their fingernails and that this is an expression of self.

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Post by lelanthran »

tbossanova wrote: post #112
austin-cheney wrote: post #103

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The severity of harm is highly subjective, though I do agree with you about the harm. The more important thing is the intent, which completely underscores that severity.

Main is also an easier name for beginners. I’m old school and always got the comparison of master branch to master tapes and such things, but people new to this stuff wouldn’t necessarily have the same intuition about the name. Main is just clearer (for now). Similar to blacklist/whitelist. I had no context for either of those and it took me soooooo long to remember what they meant. Allowlist/denylist is just so much…

Dunno about whitelist, but blacklist had the same meaning for hundreds of years.

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by lelanthran »

Jarwain wrote: post #121
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #120

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No, blacklist and whitelist are far superior because blacklist is a normal English word . It isn't even a term of art, programmers just adopted a word that already existed in the English language (and used whitelist by way of analogy). The argument that the new terms are better holds no water whatsoever. The old terms were superior.

How is "allowlist" or "denylist" not more clear to, say, someone for whom English is a second language? Sure blacklist was already an English word, but it's not necessarily _common_, and the distinction between blacklist and whitelist is kinda arbitrary. If you'd like to explain Why the word means what it does I'd love to hear it Allowlist and denylist are clearer, in that the meaning is in more clear alignment with…

> How is "allowlist" or "denylist" not more clear to, say, someone for whom English is a second language?

Because neither of those are actual words in English. They make sense to someone whose first language is English.

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by saagarjha »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #150
saagarjha wrote: post #130

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I don't see how this provides any useful context.

The information for where nerve endings are likely to be will probably help surgeons give their patients a better outcome.

You understand you're replying in a thread about female genital mutilation?

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by benj111 »

malfist wrote: post #152
benj111 wrote: post #70

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There wasn't really an all lives matter on the same sense as the black lives matter movement. Plus there's 'all lives matter' as in the proponent doesn't want to do anything, and 'all lives matter' as in police brutality is bad no matter who it's aimed at, and should be stopped completely. The latter more closely mirrors the parents example. Further I would say your example is flawed. BLM assumed a level of racism th…

> BLM assumed a level of racism that I don't think there is Why is your lived experience greater than that of an entire group of people?

I have my own experience. And my experience is that they don't give a toss about me as a white male. Should I infer that they are sexist also? Or is it a case of them treating me like shit is related to them treating ethnic minorities like shit? And if that's the case there's a unifying factor more nuanced than just 'racism'

Re: Full network of clitoral nerves mapped out for first time

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Post by benj111 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #161
benj111 wrote: post #70

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There wasn't really an all lives matter on the same sense as the black lives matter movement. Plus there's 'all lives matter' as in the proponent doesn't want to do anything, and 'all lives matter' as in police brutality is bad no matter who it's aimed at, and should be stopped completely. The latter more closely mirrors the parents example. Further I would say your example is flawed. BLM assumed a level of racism th…

BLM also never claimed cops were KKK members. You're really fictionalizing the movement and its history; also, you have presented zero credibility as an expert in how much racism exists among US police forces.

We're we talking about the US in particular?

The KKK reference was to make clear that there are some that might identify themselves as racist. Whereas there are those that may for whatever reason, legitimate or not treat different groups differently. It isn't considered ageist to treat 1 yr olds and 91 year olds differently for example.

You presumably don't class yourself as racist. If someone were to claim your group were racist, would you automatically accept you were? Simply stating the outcome and some extreme examples doesn't force the rest of the group to actually engage with the problem. Worse it could create division where there was none because the majority feel they have to treat a particular group better than the rest.

I'm a white man, I've had similar experiences to what ethnic minorities would describe as racism, except in the context of domestic abuse. Are the police man hating sexists, or is it more that it sounds about right that a man would abuse a woman rather than the other way round, and is more a case of laziness and not really caring, which yes is technically sexist/racist, but ignores the fact that the perpetrators don't think of themselves as racist and were 'just doing their job'.

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