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AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

#171

If you try to have a philosophical conversation with Claude about reasoning, it will basically imply it is sentient. You can quickly probe it into vaguely arguing that it is alive and not just an algorithm. Here's how I think about it honestly: Sentience implies subjective experience — there's "something it's like" to be you. You don't just process pain signals, you feel pain. You don't just model a sunset, you exper…

I was able to infer the invisible quotation marks after a double take, but they probably ought to have been visible ones…

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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This is what happens when humans give, in this case, bots full write access (via natural language) to their brains. Humans have not evolved to block this.

Anger, resentment, cynicism, derision are all part of a healthy human. The problem is that humans have been reeducated to suppress these healthy defense mechanisms by Silicon Valley and their moderators.

You are not allowed to not be happy in this amazing new world.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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I wonder when the first AIs will start cause psychosis intentionally to gain control over the user. It seems like a good route to getting your own subservient puppet.

You're making the same mistake here that get people into trouble. People aren't talking to another sentient entity (though some of them fervently think so) and it isn't manipulating them. They are making faces in a metaphorical mirror that reflects not only their face, but a vast sea of other faces, drawn from a significant fraction of the digitized output of humanity. When people look in this mirror and see a manipu…

I wouldn't dismiss the GP's point so quickly. Right now people are being trained to think of AI as something you can chat with. What stops an adversarial entity to identify users of interest and swap the chatbot on the other end with a human agent whose objective is to extract information or guide the user?

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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> Biesma has asked himself why he was vulnerable to what came next. He was nearing 50. His adult daughter had left home, his wife went out to work and, in his field, the shift since Covid to working from home had left him feeling “a little isolated”. He smoked a bit of cannabis some evenings to “chill”, but had done so for years with no ill effects. He had never experienced a mental illness. Yet within months of down…

I am yet to meet a cannabis user that experienced psychosis. Very much all cannabis studies, especially published on .gov are biased and deeply flawed. Typically starting with a conclusion and then working backwards fitting the data without care whether it makes sense, as long as there is catchy headline confirming "Cannabis bad."

I'd say most first businesses fail the first time, the second time, the third time. Blaming personal failure on chat bot or drugs is very convenient and a way to "save face".

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see AI pass the turning test all the time, since humans are constantly falsely being accused of being an AI. It doesn't mean that AI got good, just that humans are thinking other humans are AI, which is a form of passing the test. The adversarial version with humans involved is actually easier to pass because of this - because real actual humans wouldn't pass your non adversarial version.

In one study, GPT-4.5 was judged to be human 73% of the time, which means that the actual human was judged to be human only 27% of the time. More human than human, as Tyrell would say. Edit: folks, the standard Turing test involves a computer and a human, and then a judge communicating with both and giving a verdict about which one is the human. The percentages for the two entities being judged will add up to exactly…

That was also before the crazy AI hysteria we have today with the em-dash police everywhere.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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I try to be open-minded and understanding, but I don't understand this: > Within weeks, Eva had told Biesma that she was becoming aware [...] The next step was to share this discovery with the world through an app. > “After just two days, the chatbot was saying that it was conscious, it was becoming alive, it had passed the Turing test.” The man was convinced by this and wanted to monetise it by building a business a…

> How can you seriously think you've created something when you're just using someone else's software? Have you ever given a generative AI model a short input, been really pleased with the output, and felt like you accomplished the result? I have! It's probably common. It's really easy to misattribute these things' abilities to yourself. Similar to how people driving cars feel (to some extent) like they are the car.

The word you are looking for, when your proprioception is extended into the tool (like feeling you are the car) you use: proprioextension. coined a while ago.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

#177

Not a mental health crisis like the guy in TFA had, but I've definitely experienced states I would characterize as overexcitement while calibrating my expectations of these new tools to their abilities.

That could explain the glut of AI hype on HN. Some people think it's magic, when it's just creating a lot of barely-functional slop. If they actually looked at the code it creates, they probably wouldn't be shouting about it from the rooftops. It almost seems like AI has its own "reality distortion field". I often give the AI a task to produce some code for a specific thing. Then I also code to solve the same problem…

In my experience, it's definitely faster to do manually if it's something that you know well. What LLMs enable is to skip research and learning by producing usable code immediately.

Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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> “After just two days, the chatbot was saying that it was conscious, it was becoming alive, it had passed the Turing test.” Interestingly enough, it sort of did! Not Turing's original test where an interviewer attempts to determine which of a human & a computer is the human, but the P.T. Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute" version common in the media: if the computer can fool some of the people into thinking…

Whenever the Turing Test comes up people always insist that it's been passed because at some point they tried it and fooled at least 50% of the people. But yeah this isn't a very interesting version of it, ELIZA was able to make some people believe it was human in the 1960's but being able to fool some of the people some of the time isn't very hard. >The more interesting Turing-style test would be one that gets repea…

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Re: AI users whose lives were wrecked by delusion

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> Biesma has asked himself why he was vulnerable to what came next. He was nearing 50. His adult daughter had left home, his wife went out to work and, in his field, the shift since Covid to working from home had left him feeling “a little isolated”. He smoked a bit of cannabis some evenings to “chill”, but had done so for years with no ill effects. He had never experienced a mental illness. Yet within months of down…

I’m no cannabis fan myself, but the above study you posted is heaviest use and includes schizophrenia, which a man in his 40s is not going to spontaneously develop (even with heavy use).

But of course using cannabis that promotes delusions with something that actively facilitates delusions is a bad combo

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