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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by joe_mamba »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #135
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value o…

>Destroying a school is not an "oopsie".

You should see how many innocent people US's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq killed. And that's only the ones we know of before the era of smartphones and social media where people could more easily document war crimes. Did anyone go to jail for it? No. Will anyone go to jail for killing innocent people in Iran? Also no.

Trump is gonna fuck some more shit up in the area, declare "victory" when he's bored or the political pressure gets too high while leaving the middle east in a bigger mess than it was before.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by jfengel »

RealityVoid wrote: post #92
y-curious wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t think that the person you’re replying to is Donald Trump, do you? He’s not wrong even though I can see why amassing independent defense didn’t feel necessary all this time

> You don’t think that the person you’re replying to is Donald Trump, do you? I'm confused how this interpretation could ever come about. No, I mean his point about "Trump trying to bolster NATO" is comic, as Trump is actively weakening NATO, no matter his stated goals wrt. improving funding and having member states "carry their load". _Especially_ his threats to Greenland and Canada, for no apparent reason. It's rea…

Turns out consistency is overrated. We talk as if it's a bare minimum, but there isn't actually any penalty for violating it.

We've still got some kind of karmic notion that inconsistency is bad for you in the long run. Maybe it is, but that run keeps getting longer and longer.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

joe_mamba wrote: post #171
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value o…

>Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". You should see how many innocent people US's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq killed. And that's only the ones we know of before the era of smartphones and social media where people could more easily document war crimes. Did anyone go to jail for it? No. Will anyone go to jail for killing innocent people in Iran? Also no. Trump is gonna fuck some more shit up in the area, declare…

Miraculously by US standards, a couple of soldiers (though only a couple, by no means all who committed them) actually did face prison time for war crimes in Iraq, and were then pardoned by Trump because he can't settle for not being the most evil man on the planet: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by flyinglizard »

znort_ wrote: post #170
flyinglizard wrote: post #62

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That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

good point. i'm more than happy to pay 10x for my diesel and electricity and even change my whole lifestyle for the foreseeable future in support of iran doing the right thing: kicking the murderous usrael regime out of western asia where it should never have been in the first place, if it weren't for their god damned blood soaked petrodollars.

You and both I agree that only violence will solve the conflict between Iran and Israel. They can't really coexist in the same sphere. May the best country win :)

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by card_zero »

10xDev wrote: post #112
malfist wrote: post #88

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What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

A double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack Edit: *triple tap.

I would like the Iranian regime to be destroyed more responsibly and carefully.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by bambax »

flyinglizard wrote: post #62
lukan wrote: post #48

Ok, I did win. Do I get cheaper gasoline now?

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

Trump is now threatening to destroy Iran's power plants if the straight isn't reopened. Is this "doing the right thing"? And doesn't this show he cares more about oil prices than regime change?

But the most important question is, what's next? If depriving tens of millions of people of energy doesn't work, what will he do next?

One hypothesis is he'll threaten Iran with a nuclear strike. In response, either China or Russia or both, will say that's a line that cannot be crossed.

And then, we will either all die, or be living in a world saved by authoritarian regimes from the irresponsibility of the US.

It will be interesting! But probably extremely unpleasant.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by mrbombastic »

hakrgrl wrote: post #166
zimpenfish wrote: post #157

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Secretly-ish - it was announced publicly 7 months prior (Jan 2016) and it was the first instalment of a legal settlement, not just some random or ransom payment. Obviously Republicans decried it with bad faith bullshit because reality and sanity don't matter to them.

"reality and sanity"? The reality is the US gave them cash to improve their living standards and enrich their country, not their uranium. With that money they chose to massacre their own people and fund terrorism across the region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

Account created 52 days ago and working over time ever since to defend trump and the regime. No submissions. Color me skeptical.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by pjc50 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #62
lukan wrote: post #48

Ok, I did win. Do I get cheaper gasoline now?

That's it? Momentary gasoline price is all that matters now? Not geopolitical interests, alliances, _Doing The Right Thing_? If that's the only angle you care about, then US subduing the Iranian regime would go a long way to de-facto dissolving OPEC and bring much more flexibility to oil prices.

So .. the plan is Big Afghanistan, to install a puppet regime at massive expense which evaporates the moment the US ground troops leave?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

#180

Post by Qem »

bertylicious wrote: post #97
flyinglizard wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

What are the military objectives?

Prop up the friendly apartheid regime.
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