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Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Also EU protectionism itself might be enough.

Where is EU protectionist? I feel we are way less protectionist than most other Economic Regions. Including the USA, which are very protectionist but always claim otherwise

Well different discussion, but look at the Mercosur agreement and all the opposition from farmers in the EU. They are extremely protectionist when it comes to agriculture, at least.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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post #108

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But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

Also EU protectionism itself might be enough.

Like American protectionism? Heck, America even prohibits its own companies to sell to the government if the president doesn't like them enough.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Well, if every big company gets a giant EU fine for, say, preinstalling a web browser in an OS, except for EU companies, that could make it easier for the EU companies.

Every company would get fined for anticompetitive behaviour, regardless of where are based.

Well yes, but because there are approximately zero EU tech companies that can be affected by these fines and regulations there is very little political pushback against them.

In a certain sense it’s a way for EU to clawback at least a small slice of all that money flowing to the US.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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post #108

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But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

To me it's obvious because the size of companies they are targeting (ASML being an obvious one). I think golf course marketing works well in the EU context when decisions are being made not purely on tech reasons.

> being made not purely on tech reasons.

As if that’s not true in the US (not just government contracts but VC in general as well)…

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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post #145

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Every company would get fined for anticompetitive behaviour, regardless of where are based.

Well yes, but because there are approximately zero EU tech companies that can be affected by these fines and regulations there is very little political pushback against them. In a certain sense it’s a way for EU to clawback at least a small slice of all that money flowing to the US.

https://www.edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2023/personali...

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Also EU protectionism itself might be enough.

Where is EU protectionist? I feel we are way less protectionist than most other Economic Regions. Including the USA, which are very protectionist but always claim otherwise

Apparently you aren't aware of the EU's deep regulatory protectionism and subsidies at both EU and country level. A small portion is legitimately about protecting consumers, but ultimately this stuff is all designed by and for EU industry.

Basically all economic regions get highly protectionist when it comes to key areas like agriculture, banking, steel production, energy, automotive manufacturing, etc.

On tariffs, the US is now higher, but tariffs are a tax that passes through overwhelmingly onto the consumer (by like 95%+). Given there's essentially no fully domestic US manufacturing supply chains and the US imports everything, it's a defacto VAT from the perspective of the consumer. The EU has VAT levels that are still much higher than the average US tariff level, which is a essentially a dampener on consumption.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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post #143

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They offer self-hosted models for big corporate customers. I would also expect those serious about the security of their data to use that option. So you would never get the usage of those customers

If you are a company based in Europe it is silly to give your data security and privacy to a company based in Europe. If you are in Iran, you don't want to give your data to your government. If you are in France, you don't want to give your data to your government. etc If you are in France, and you host your e-mails in a datacenter in Hong-Kong, well good luck for the authorities to get it. If you host it in "secure…

It's not about government but about trade secrets...

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Where is EU protectionist? I feel we are way less protectionist than most other Economic Regions. Including the USA, which are very protectionist but always claim otherwise

Apparently you aren't aware of the EU's deep regulatory protectionism and subsidies at both EU and country level. A small portion is legitimately about protecting consumers, but ultimately this stuff is all designed by and for EU industry. Basically all economic regions get highly protectionist when it comes to key areas like agriculture, banking, steel production, energy, automotive manufacturing, etc. On tariffs, t…

But the VAT applies to all goods regardless where they are produced. So that's not a protectionist measure
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