171–180 of 275 posts
How about trying to reduce dependencies? 11ty is going in correct direction, dropping significant chunk of various dependencies or replacing them with packages with no dependencies or using platform features, that becomes readily available.
Taking the question of whether this would be a useful addition to Node.js core or aside, it must be noted that this 19k LoC PR was mostly generated by Claude Code and manually reviewed by the submitter which in my opinion is against the spirit of the project and directly violates the terms of Developer's Certificate of Origin set in the project's CONTRIBUTING.md
Worth noting that mcollina is a member of the Node.js Technical Steering Committee
if there's anyone i would trust in exploring these avenues, it's him and the maintainers doing god's work in the nodejs repo in these past few years.
Taking the question of whether this would be a useful addition to Node.js core or aside, it must be noted that this 19k LoC PR was mostly generated by Claude Code and manually reviewed by the submitter which in my opinion is against the spirit of the project and directly violates the terms of Developer's Certificate of Origin set in the project's CONTRIBUTING.md
Who reviewed and approved the PR?
The Node team has lost the plot IMO. By far the most critical issue is the over reliance on third party NPM packages for even fundamental needs like connecting to a database.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you care how much effort it took the engineer to make it? If there was a huge amount of tedium that they used Claude Code for, then reviewed and cleaned up so that it’s indistinguishable from whatever you’d expect from a human; what’s it to you? Not everyone has the same motivations. I’ve done open source for fun, I’ve done it to unblock something at work, I’ve done it to fix something that annoys me. If your…
Because sometimes programming is an art and we want people to do it as if it was something they cared about. I play chess and this is a bit like that. Why do I play against humans? Because I want to face another person like me and see what strategies they can come up with. Of course any chess bot is going to play better, but that's not the point
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Large PRs could follow the practices that the Linux kernel dev lists follow. Sometimes large subsystem changes could be carried separately for a while by the submitter for testing and maintenance before being accepted in theory, reviewed, and if ready, then merged. While the large code changes were maintained, they were often split up into a set of semantically meaningful commits for purposes of review and maintenanc…
Nobody wants to review AI-generated code (unless we are paid for doing so). Open source is fun, that's why people do it for free... adding AI to the mix is just insulting to some, and boring to others. Like, why on earth would I spent hours reviewing your PR that you/Claude took 5 minutes to write? I couldn't care less if it improves (best case scenario) my open source codebase, I simply don't enjoy the imbalance.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was 14k lines carefully reviewed? Seems unlikely.
Considering the many hundreds of technical comments over at the PR ( https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/61478 ), the 8 reviewers thanked by name in the article, and the stellar reputations of those involved, seems likely.
For someone’s website or one business maybe the risk is worth it, for a widely used software project that many others build on it is horrifying to see that much plausible code generated by an LLM.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you care how much effort it took the engineer to make it? If there was a huge amount of tedium that they used Claude Code for, then reviewed and cleaned up so that it’s indistinguishable from whatever you’d expect from a human; what’s it to you? Not everyone has the same motivations. I’ve done open source for fun, I’ve done it to unblock something at work, I’ve done it to fix something that annoys me. If your…
Because sometimes programming is an art and we want people to do it as if it was something they cared about. I play chess and this is a bit like that. Why do I play against humans? Because I want to face another person like me and see what strategies they can come up with. Of course any chess bot is going to play better, but that's not the point
Would be nice if node packages could be packed up in ZIP files so to avoid the security/metadata tax for small file access on Windows.
When npm decided to have per-project node_modules (rather than shared like ruby and others) and human readable configs and library files I think the goal was to be a developer friendly and highly configurable, which it is. And package.json became a lot more than that as a result, it’s been a great system IMO. Combined with a hackable IDE like Atom (Pulsar) made with the same tech it’s a pretty great dev exp for web d…
Python had shared packages for a long time and those are fine up to a point but circa 2017 I was working at a place where we had data scientists making models using different versions of Tensorflow and stuff and venv’s are essential to that. We were building unusually complex systems and having worse problems than other people but if you do enough development you will have trouble with shared packages.
The node model of looking for packages in the local directory has some appeal and avoids the need for “activation” but I like writing Python-based systems that define one or more command line programs that I can go use in any directory I want. For instance, if I want to publish one of my Vite projects I have a ‘transporter’ written in Python that looks for a Vite project in the current directory and uploads it to S3, updates metadata and invalidates cloudfront and all that. I have to activate it which is a minor hassle but then I can go to different Vite projects and publish them.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fully disagree with this take. Not allowing AI assistance on PRs will likely decimate the project in the future, as it will not allow fast iteration speeds compared to other alternatives. Note aside, OpenJS executive director mentioned it's ok to use AI assistance on Node.js contributions: I checked with legal and the foundation is fine with the DCO on AI-assisted contributions. We’ll work on getting this documented.…
Allowing AI contributions results in lower quality contributions and allows wild things to come in and disrupt it, making it an unreliable dependency. We have seen big tech experience constant outages due to AI contributions as is...
You’ve read people saying the same thing hundreds of times and have somehow taken that as meaning that it’s credible.
Neither you nor I nor anyone else here knows what the “effects” are, because this is brand new tech, and it’s constantly changing. Yet you’re speaking with absolute confidence.
“Big tech” has downtime all the time, and LLMs did not change that fact. The only difference is that the peanut gallery that is already worked up about AI for philosophical / cultural reasons is suddenly ready to blame AI for every issue under the sun.
You think that you’re making a technical argument but you’re just repeating the same taking points I see teenagers regurgitating on TikTok. There’s nothing intelligent or credible about it.