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Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by zby »

hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

I am looking for something that would filter for sites that rarely post but have good content. The number one problem with most of these systems is that everything favours frequent posting. Even if I do it manually, I cannot keep the tabs over many rarely posting sites - this is an obvious example of a problem that we delegate to computers. Favouring frequent posters creates incentives to do that even if quality worsens.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by zby »

freetonik wrote: post #20

On a similar note, I maintain and grow a manually curated collection of personal blogs with valid RSS feeds: https://minifeed.net/blogs The criteria is simple: human-written (as much as I can validate myself), in English (for now), with valid RSS feed, and not a micro-blog (so, more than just feed of links or short tweet-like messages). Similar to Kagi's Small Web viewer, or StumbleUpon-style viewer: you can get a ra…

I wish someone curated a list of sites that are llm written - but are not spam. Just to compare :)

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by ewoodrich »

tensor wrote: post #156
emacdona wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad to see this comment and the parent comment voted so near the top. I've had the same experience. In my experience, Kagi used to be great... then it became good... and now it's "better than Google". "Better than Google" and the fact that I can choose websites to exclude from my search results are two features that I remain willing to pay for, however.

I'm extremely confused by these comments. Are we all using the same google? Just to make sure I wasn't crazy I just did a search on Google and 1/2 the page was a combination of google AI result and ads. Below that there were 2.5 links visible. One reddit result, and two blogspam. The exact same search on Kagi ('best lllm for coding') nets reddit, hacker news, and some other forum results right at the top, followed by…

I just block all those results on Google for free with uBlock Origin and uBlacklist.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by tensor »

fourside wrote: post #146
searls wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad to see this comment and the parent comment and the grandparent comment voted so near the top. I've had the same experience. I honestly would love to be able to give my Kagi key to the ChatGPT or Claude clients (or more realistically, configure a proxy) just to have it be their primary tool for searches—respecting my site rankings/lists

I’m confused by this comment. The original comments talk about Kagi not living up to the hype. You say you’ve had the same experience and wish you could get LLMs to use Kagi for web searches?

Especially odd as that’s exactly what Kagi assistant already does. Maybe they’d just rather use their key than pay Kagi for LLM based search.

On that note, Kagi research is legit amazing. There have been times I’ve spent 30min searching for something without success. As a last resort I asked Kagi research and it found why I could not. More than one option even. Now intend to use almost more than normal search.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by abnercoimbre »

idop wrote: post #123
hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

Not only that, I just clicked "Next Post" more than a hundred times, and over 90% of posts I got were about LLMs and coding agents.

This is a fairly recent phenomenon: I'm a longtime Small Web user and even I struggle with this massive influx of AI posts. I'm hopeful it will be addressed.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by tensor »

dotancohen wrote: post #97
mpalmer wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the responses are backed by searches.

So some guy does hard work developing some technique or solving some problem. He documents his experience, puts up a tutorial on DO or AWS or somewhere else, and the ads on that document help offset the cost of hosting. Now comes along Kagi, scrapes that data, and presents it to you, their paying customer. I see a problem with this.

One way or another the ad driven model has to go. It’s toxic for society.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by j1elo »

wiether wrote: post #165
hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

Same feeling here Heavy Kagi user and the idea behind small web was appealing; but how its implemented don't click with me Their rules excludes an absolute gem like https://www.sheldonbrown.com/ which is, to me, the essence of what we could call the "small web". Each times the topic pops up, I try a few random ones and never found anything interesting.

Well, thanks. That small web just taught me in a very concise way a thing or two about bicicle braking technique!

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by andrew_lettuce »

wiether wrote: post #165
hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

Same feeling here Heavy Kagi user and the idea behind small web was appealing; but how its implemented don't click with me Their rules excludes an absolute gem like https://www.sheldonbrown.com/ which is, to me, the essence of what we could call the "small web". Each times the topic pops up, I try a few random ones and never found anything interesting.

This website is the small web - self contained. It's a really good example of the Internet we had and apparently some still want. I think of it like computer graphics where you're definition of space can get bigger as you add a bunch of resources each with their own model space into the relative context of world space. The small web should define how we do that and discover things, not what or how we build within each specific model space.

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by andrew_lettuce »

zby wrote: post #171
hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

I am looking for something that would filter for sites that rarely post but have good content. The number one problem with most of these systems is that everything favours frequent posting. Even if I do it manually, I cannot keep the tabs over many rarely posting sites - this is an obvious example of a problem that we delegate to computers. Favouring frequent posters creates incentives to do that even if quality wors…

The perverse thing here is that's exactly the opposite of how we've traditionally valued resources!

Re: Kagi Small Web

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Post by ethbr1 »

zby wrote: post #171
hamdingers wrote: post #92

I'm a Kagi search/assistant user and advocate but the "small web" product is a frustrating misnomer. To me the small web is any little website that was created to be interesting rather than to sell me something. That includes stuff like neocities, "shrine" type sites, single purpose sites, fandom portals, web experiments, etc. Unfortunately Kagi's definition of "small web" is: blog or webcomic. You must have an RSS f…

I am looking for something that would filter for sites that rarely post but have good content. The number one problem with most of these systems is that everything favours frequent posting. Even if I do it manually, I cannot keep the tabs over many rarely posting sites - this is an obvious example of a problem that we delegate to computers. Favouring frequent posters creates incentives to do that even if quality wors…

I'd be fascinated on the economics of this from Google's perspective: specifically the unit economics on generating updated-once-a-year results to queried-once-in-a-million searches.

Tl;dr: I feel like the long-tail web (90s) was better, but economics pushed high-update-frequency more-centralized results.

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