As an Israeli, this is an inexcusable crime by IDF soldiers. Appallingly, I expect them to receive no punishment. My country's government is criminally racist.
Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
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Wrong. Gaza and the West Bank aren't countries, they have no autonomy. Palestine isn't a country, it was once where Israel now sits, but hasn't been since the 40s. Palestinians are people, must like Jews are people. Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of Israel, the west bank, and gaza. Much like all Jews aren't responsible for the actions of Israel, All Palestinians aren't responsible for the actions of Hama…
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What am I incorrect about?
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Every single person is a product of their circumstances. If you personally were to grow up in either country, the neural network in your brain would be trained with a way different set of data compared to what you experienced, and you would be a different person.
I don't have sympathy or hated for either side, this is just a byproduct of being human.
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> this is war 101 The west bank isn't at war with Israel. There wasn't some conflict or event that has justified these actions. I wish people understood this better. Even if you could manage to justify what's happening in gaza as "this is war", Gaza and the west bank are separate entities with separate governments. The west bank, in particular, is more like an Indian reservation in the US, with the Israeli government…
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> You can't then say that the West Bank is not responsible for what the rest of Palestine did.
Collective punishment is a war crime.
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Wrong. Gaza and the West Bank aren't countries, they have no autonomy. Palestine isn't a country, it was once where Israel now sits, but hasn't been since the 40s. Palestinians are people, must like Jews are people. Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of Israel, the west bank, and gaza. Much like all Jews aren't responsible for the actions of Israel, All Palestinians aren't responsible for the actions of Hama…
> Palestine isn't a country, it was once where Israel now sits, but hasn't been since the 40s.
In the 40s, the British were ruling Palestine as a mandate, I wouldn’t really call that a country.
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#176For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…
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completely deranged way of thinking that calls for a hard self-reflection.
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> Why don't you withdraw within your borders? They already did that multiple times with no positive outcomes whatsoever, go learn some history
No that actually never happened. The very day Israel declared its independence its army was already outside the territory proposed for it by the UN's partition plan. Israel itself never declared what its borders were.
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Here are only some examples of Israel compromising (land and other) for the sake of peace:
1. Hebron Protocol — 1997
2. Wye River Memorandum — 1998
3. Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum — 1999
4. Gaza Disengagement Plan — 2005
5. Naharayim/Baqura and Tzofar/Ghamr special-regime expiration — 2019
6. Israel-Lebanon Maritime Boundary Agreement — 2022
Those only that were applied, many more offers were rejected by other side.
Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
#180For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…
The situation in the West Bank (and similar forces are at play in Gaza, too) remind me of what's wrong with American policing, at a far more extreme scale. The people charged with enforcing the peace deploy lethal force with near impunity at the slightest "provocation" (a child throwing a stone, a car driving too fast); I wouldn't be surprised if IDF forces deployed to the West Bank are trained much like American pol…
That's a huge problem (immediate, unjustified escalation to violence becoming the norm) and:
> The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe.
"I feel unsafe" has become the catch-all excuse for everything in the recent decade. It's used to justify everything from Karen complaining about someone's behavior in public to people calling the cops on someone for looking at them wrong, to making a scene on a public bus, to police officers jumping the gun and escalating to violence, all the way to war crimes. When did "I feel unsafe" become this ultimate i-can-do-anything-and-avoid-responsibility card? Like a magic spell that you can cast before doing something crazy. It's like that old "He's coming right for us" South Park joke, but instead of being a joke it has real life and death consequences.