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LLMs can be exhausting

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Re: LLMs can be exhausting

#171

The most honest, logical, and practical take I've seen on this. People consistently underestimate the skill and effort it takes to write precisely and think critically both about their problem, and their processes. The closer you are to knowing what to ask for in the way knowledgeable people ask for it with respect to the process you are using to complete work, the closer the output will be to what you want.

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Re: LLMs can be exhausting

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post #3

I find LLMs so much more exhausting than manual coding. It’s interesting. I think you quickly bump into how much a single human can feasibly keep track of pretty fast with modern LLMs. I assume until LLMs are 100% better than humans in all cases, as long as I have to be in the loop there will be a pretty hard upper bound on what I can do and it seems like we’ve roughly hit that limit. Funny enough, I get this feeling…

Same feeling as pair programming in my experience.

If your consciousness is driving, your brain is internally aligned. You type as you think. You can get flow state, or at least find a way to think around a problem.

If you're working with someone else and having to discuss everything as you go, then it's just a different activity. I've collaboratively written better code this way in the past. But it's slower and more exhausting.

Like pair programming, I hope people realise that there's a place for both, and doing exclusively one or the other full time isn't in everyone's best interests.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

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I have always enjoyed the feeling of aporia during coding. Learning to embrace the confusion and the eventual frustration is part of the job. So I don’t mind running in a loop alongside an agent. But I absolutely loathe reviewing these generated PRs - more so when I know the submitter themselves has barely looked at the code. Now corporate has mandated AI usage and is asking people to do 10k LOC PRs every day. Review…

10k, really? Are you supposed to understand all that code? This is crazy and a one way street to burnout.

Yep and now we are encouraged to use AI to review the code as well. But if shit hits the fan then you are held responsible.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

#176
Reminds me of the best saying I ever got from my CS professor. She would make us first write out our code and answer the question, "What will the output be?" before we were allowed to run it.

"If you don't know what you want your code to do, the computer sure as heck won't know either." I keep this with me today. Before I run my code for the first time or turn on my hardware for the first time, I ask myself, "What _exactly_ am I expecting to see here?" and if I can't answer that it makes me take a closer and more adversarial look at my own output before running it.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

#177
I have just started reading books while the agents are working and only checking in every 20 minutes or so. I'm considering just moving all the work onto my home desktop and just use tailscale with a terminal emulator on the ipad and iphone to get out of the house a bit more. I spend a lot of the morning working on specs once they are all ready I get the agents to work.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

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This was not the article that I expected. The headline is correct in both cases but I assumed that it would be about fighting against the army of LLM scrapers, which is the source of my exhaustion in relation to them. Perhaps that is one for me to write instead.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

#179
I've just come off a 2 month bender using Claude Code for, well, far too much. I had 5 instances running at once for days on end. It felt amazing, it felt like flying. And then something gave way and I couldn't focus on anything for 3 days. Diagnosed with ADHD some time ago I fell into this kind of trap well before LLM's, but not to this degree.

So I'm writing code by hand today and using Claude to track down type and dependency errors. It feels good, I might do this for a while.

Re: LLMs can be exhausting

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The velocity is up AND the quality is up. This is not my experience on a team of experienced SWEs working on a product worth 100m/year. Agents are a great search engine for a codebase and really nice for debugging but anytime we have it write feature code it makes too many mistakes. We end up spending more time tuning the process than it takes to just write the code AND you are trading human context with agent cont…

I can't speak to your experience. I can only speak to mine. We've spent years reducing old debt and modernizing our application and processes. The places where we've made that investment are where we are currently seeing the additional acceleration. The places where we haven't are still stuck in the mud, but per your "search engine for a codebase" comment our engineers are starting to engage with systems they would n…

I also agree. In fact, I was hitting a limit on my ability to ship a really difficult feature and after I became good at using Claude, I was able to finally get it done. The last mile was really hard but I had documented things very well so the LLM was able to fly through the bugs, write tests that I dare say are too difficult for humans to design since they require keeping in your head a large amount of context ( distributed computing is really hard) which is where I was hitting my limit. I now think that I can only do the easy stuff by hand, anything serious requires me to get a LLM to at least verify, but of course I just let it do things while I explain the high level vision and the sorts of tests I expect it to have.
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