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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

The whole point of the California/Colorado laws is to provide an alternative to that. The whole point is that it provides a privacy preserving way to provide a signal about whether someone is in a particular age bracket, without requiring any kind of third party ID verification. I am so puzzled by everyone who objects so strongly to these operating system based opt in systems; all it does is provide for a way for a p…

I'm confused. What's the age definition of child? 12, 15, 18? Does this mean its against the law for children to install an operating system? What is the penalty for a child doing this and putting the wrong age or just doing it at all? What is the penalty for a parent or guardian of the child that does this? What happens to the parent or child if the child circumvents this control? Will child services be involved? Criminal penalties? Of course the only way to know an adult is the administrator is to tie the users government I'd to the account. Could this be done in some zero knowledge anonymous way? Sure, but I don't think it's likely. This seems to be the thin end of yet another wedge. The trend seems to be to be that we should be identified and survield every moment of our lives. The question is who does this surveillance serve? How much access do you have to your government or employer's data or advertisers or educators or ...? How does their access serve you?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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There is no way that this will happen on any Linux box that I use. And this is why I'm an enemy of device attestation and the requirement to register operating systems in the first place, no matter whether it is Apple or Microsoft.

Once the new Poettering startup took off you won't get any choice. SCNR.

I have all the choice I need, I can build Linux from source and I'm old enough to know this stuff will outlast me.

F*ck Poettering. Want to bet that once he's done the damage his company will be acquired for a large amount of money by Microsoft? This is just another Nokia for them.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Associating open source with projects that brazenly violate the law is not what open source should look like.

Unjust laws should be violated.

This leads to anarchy or selective enforcement. Unjust laws should be removed.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Associating open source with projects that brazenly violate the law is not what open source should look like.

It is when those laws were passed by totalitarian idiots.

Being passed by a "totalitarian idiot" does not mean that a law is not valid.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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> A) there's ways around that stuff that any child can figure out. No, there are not for hardware locked devices with the proper controls (what apps, websites, etc to allow). > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. > C) who decides on what channels are allowed? The school does. But teachers are…

> > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. > The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. Just to be clear - do you not understand that a parent might be parenting, but some times their children is in care of a school? Your focus on "a technical solution exists" is missing the real issue here, and it's not a technical one.

But this thread is discussing the technical solution and how many jurisdictions are pretending there’s no technical solutions just so they can pass surveillance legislation?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Same in Brazil. Economically and politically not nearly as important, but 250 million people affected by the same discoursem

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

The simpler explanation is that we live in a world that is more connected than ever so politicians, campaigners and the rest can get policy ideas almost instantly. There is no grand conspiracy, just a smaller world.

Why are they getting ideas from each other instead of their own citizens? That in itself is a conspiracy of the elite cabal

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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So, firstly, before I dive into your comment; about the topic above, this is the result of a terrible headline gone wrong in a single state in the US. The language never required any changes to Linux, or Windows, or any other operating system, for that matter. Someone read the text, and made a clickbaity headline, and it went viral. then, another state made a similar bill, and it went viral again.Age verification isn…

I've looked at the bill and it sure seems like it would apply to Linux. What's your case that it doesn't?

As I understood it, the claim was that it wouldn't apply because of the Constitution, not because the text of the bill made it not apply to Linux.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

My guess would be some very influential NGO(s). But I haven't looked into it or thought about it.
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