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Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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nowadays, if you have correct spelling and grammar people accuse you of being an llm.

I have used em dashes and semicolons for decades. The LLM appropriation of my writing style has been almost as devastating as their impending vaporization of my career path.

I don't understand where you "users of em dashes" are coming from

em dash isn't on the keyboard, where do you even find it?

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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> But in another instance, Epstein was critical of misspelling. A contact forwarded the sex offender his daughter’s college application in 2013. “I wish you had let me review before sending…the grammatical errors and spelling mistakes will make it at least harder for early admission,” Epstein wrote. It is funny that spelling and grammar matter more when writing to an admissions officer than to a potential business pa…

>It is funny that spelling and grammar matter more when writing to an admissions officer than to a potential business partner Things that matter in academia world don't always matter in the real world and vice versa.

Right, the deeper question is why it “matters” in academia and not business. Because in some sense academia is the real world.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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post #93

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Here in Toronto area city of Vaughan pronounced as (/vɔːn/ or /vɑːn/) like in "dawn" or "gone" Imaging me fresh from USSR asking someone how do I get to ... and getting blank stare

Typical in Toronto - remember there’s only one T in “Toronto”

...and the first o is silent, and the remaining o's are pronounced 'a'.

But the TV news reporters enunciate every letter in Toronto.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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post #117

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I think native English speaker who had never heard of Vaughan (sure we can find some of those) would likely to pronounce it like "Vog-un" - /ˈvɒɡən/ or "Vog-han" - /ˈvɑːɡən/

No, "gh" is usually silent in English spelling.

augh is not as common as ough, but either one can make any sound in the whole syllabary.

How about Sequim, WA. Guess how to pronounciate that.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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British aristocracy has been pronouncing their own surnames wrong for centuries on purpose. Cholmondeley is "Chumley" Featherstonehaugh is "Fanshaw." If you read it phonetically you mark yourself as an outsider. The misstake is the membership card. (Heck, even in Portland we locals hear about misprouncing Couch St probably every year in local press as some bar for membership to our own locals only vibe.)

There's also the British penchant for deliberately mispronouncing French words. I have heard "renaissance" pronounced "reh-NAY-sance", "fillet" pronounced "fill-it", "valet" as "val-it" and so on. I think it's a national point of pride to pronounce the words of their neighbor incorrectly.

It's a national past time for us Brits to annoy the French. Kind of how two cousins who don't like each other would behave at a family gathering

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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British aristocracy has been pronouncing their own surnames wrong for centuries on purpose. Cholmondeley is "Chumley" Featherstonehaugh is "Fanshaw." If you read it phonetically you mark yourself as an outsider. The misstake is the membership card. (Heck, even in Portland we locals hear about misprouncing Couch St probably every year in local press as some bar for membership to our own locals only vibe.)

That's just centuries of change without updating spelling, a la Leicester or Worcester.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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nowadays, if you have correct spelling and grammar people accuse you of being an llm.

I end all of my sentences with periods and I was told that I have a negative attitude at work because of it. Seriously, my manager's advice was to stop ending my sentences with periods.

i sort of get it. or, at least, i can empathize with it.

my dad (in his 80s) ends 50%+ of his sentences in an ellipses. most people i know my age find it a bit jarring (is he mad? expecting more information?). and its not just him, ive met several people around the same age who have a similar habit in their writing.

so, when i had a similar conversation about coming across as rigid/negative with my emails, i figured it was a similar phenomenon between the younger generation and my generation as my generation and my dads. now i typically end with a "thanks!" to coworkers instead of "thanks.". not a big deal for me if it makes other people happier.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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post #93

British aristocracy has been pronouncing their own surnames wrong for centuries on purpose. Cholmondeley is "Chumley" Featherstonehaugh is "Fanshaw." If you read it phonetically you mark yourself as an outsider. The misstake is the membership card. (Heck, even in Portland we locals hear about misprouncing Couch St probably every year in local press as some bar for membership to our own locals only vibe.)

Here in Toronto area city of Vaughan pronounced as (/vɔːn/ or /vɑːn/) like in "dawn" or "gone" Imaging me fresh from USSR asking someone how do I get to ... and getting blank stare

As a non-native English speaker I wonder if Leicester is naturally pronounced right for the natives, or has to be explicitly taught.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is funny that spelling and grammar matter more when writing to an admissions officer than to a potential business partner Things that matter in academia world don't always matter in the real world and vice versa.

Right, the deeper question is why it “matters” in academia and not business. Because in some sense academia is the real world.

> Because in some sense academia is the real world.

The old one; what's the difference between academia and the real world?

In academia, there is no difference.

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