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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #158
insane_dreamer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that a good proportion of those 44% are Christians who dgaf about Iranians; in fact they're probably "heathen" being visited by "God's judgements".

The religious bigotry on this site is out of control. Christians are labeled/talked about as a block. But Muslims are treated differently, and when it's Muslim thought that is interpreted as bad, we refer to Islamists not Muslims to avoid blanket labeling. You should edit your post because it represents Christians in a way that is not true the majority are not aligned with a weird minority subset nor the views you ar…

Christians are clearly a powerful voting bloc in the US and support reactionary politics by a vast margin. Many of them see these wars as fulfilling end time prophecy and you know it. Muslim opinions in the US aren't anywhere near as influential in national elections and do actually shift on material conditions (see Gaza & Harris in the Midwest). Like get real, you will never see a christian at an anti-war protest.

source - grew up in a baptist church, grandfather was a pastor

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #171
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The religious bigotry on this site is out of control. Christians are labeled/talked about as a block. But Muslims are treated differently, and when it's Muslim thought that is interpreted as bad, we refer to Islamists not Muslims to avoid blanket labeling. You should edit your post because it represents Christians in a way that is not true the majority are not aligned with a weird minority subset nor the views you ar…

Christians are clearly a powerful voting bloc in the US and support reactionary politics by a vast margin. Many of them see these wars as fulfilling end time prophecy and you know it. Muslim opinions in the US aren't anywhere near as influential in national elections and do actually shift on material conditions (see Gaza & Harris in the Midwest). Like get real, you will never see a christian at an anti-war protest. s…

This right here is the bigotry/double standard I'm talking about that is accepted here. 'Muslims are a death cult and you know it' is not acceptable speech, but you proudly just made the same claim, only towards Christians.

The majority of Christians are not in an end times death cult, and the size of a religious voting block in the USA doesn't change that fact. Again, we use language to separate moderate Muslims from minority extremist views normally referred to as Islamist here, but Christians are an end times death cult who don't protest war (pretty sure the Pope is on record as being anti-war).

I talked about how we refer to different religions with a bigoted double standard here, not Muslim/Christian voting influence. You followed with the very bigoted:

"Like get real, you will never see a Christian at an anti-war protest."

HN has a bigotry/stereotyping/double standard problem towards Christians. Bigotry against a religion as a political weapon/lashout is wrong.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nyantaro1 »

manyaoman wrote: post #152
spiderfarmer wrote: post #146

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Earlier today in the NYTimes, this gem of unbiased headlines: "A U.S. Tomahawk missile hit a naval base beside an Iranian school, video shows." While in the article: "A newly released video adds to the evidence that an American missile likely hit an Iranian elementary school where 175 people, many of them children, were reported killed." So: "Evidence shows US Tomahawk Missile Killed 175 people after it hits a Irania…

I don't think that's correct according to the newly published video. Correct me if wrong, but I think it shows a Tomahawk hitting nearby the school, and based on the amount of dust it seems that the school was already hit moments earlier. So it still isn't 100% clear if the school was also hit by a Tomahawk or by something else.

Yeah, an iranian missile must have hit that school minutes before an american Tomahawk landed near that school

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by [deleted] »

gib444 wrote: post #47
kome wrote: post #31

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in what Europe are you living sorry? The only one outspoken against the war have been the Spanish. UK, Italy and Germany are on it - offering logistical support and everything the US needs.

UK is bossed around by the US, ever since WW2. We don't have many choices that don't involve the USA inflicting revenge. They're bullies It's like criticising an abused wife with no job no money and not many friends for not just leaving immediately, and the husband is rich, powerful and knows everyone

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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nullocator »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

> None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about.

Citation needed. I think there is demonstrable evidence that this is exactly what people voted for and they will continue voting and behaving exactly as they have been for the foreseeable future.

Around ~30-40% of the U.S. population is basically subject to the whims of of the other 60-70% who are either A. Cult members B. Completely apathetic or C. Stupid/Insane and openly hostile to any techniques that could be used to bring them around.

It's seemingly impossible to get off this progression, and no the apathetic people being shocked into making an opposition based choice every ~4 years before they go back to fucking off is not going to pull us out.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nullocator »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #172
throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christians are clearly a powerful voting bloc in the US and support reactionary politics by a vast margin. Many of them see these wars as fulfilling end time prophecy and you know it. Muslim opinions in the US aren't anywhere near as influential in national elections and do actually shift on material conditions (see Gaza & Harris in the Midwest). Like get real, you will never see a christian at an anti-war protest. s…

This right here is the bigotry/double standard I'm talking about that is accepted here. 'Muslims are a death cult and you know it' is not acceptable speech, but you proudly just made the same claim, only towards Christians. The majority of Christians are not in an end times death cult, and the size of a religious voting block in the USA doesn't change that fact. Again, we use language to separate moderate Muslims fro…

I think you are misunderstanding the situation "The majority of Christians are not in an end times death cult" sure maybe, but the majority of people in the "end times death cult" would loudly and proudly proclaim they are christians and represent christians. It is a failing of "real christians" to not reject and excise this.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nullocator »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #122
Gud wrote: post #119

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Israel wields a lot of power over the US.

They said, without any justification at all, merely reinforcing my own point.

People are saying this now because Benjamin Netanyahu has vocally and persistently been trying to get into a full scale war with Iran for 40 years. The Trump Administration is the first administration corrupt, gullible, dumb enough to agree and commit. All other U.S. Admins have primarily postured or done limited retaliation based engagements with Iran or engaged in soft power activities and got comprehensive deals.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by nullocator »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #151
piva00 wrote: post #111

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Oil companies in the USA seeing a price hike from ~US$60 to over US$100? It definitely fills their coffers, lots of barely-profitable/non-profitable shale extraction becomes viable. Of course, there's also the angle with Miriam Adelson who might have sweet talked Trump into going aboard with Israel on this disaster.

If the TV show Landman is to believed, its not all rosy for the oil companies when prices go over $100 because it leads to people using less gas: "Well, you want oil to live above 60 but below 90. And don’t get me wrong, we’re still printing money at 90, but gas gets up over $3.50 a gallon, it starts to pinch. It hits a hundred, every product in America has to readjust its price. $78 a barrel, that’s about perfect. Y…

That show is 100% fiction, bullshit and propaganda, nothing in it should be believed or taken at face value. The examples, stats or stories Billy-Bob tells are contrived, false or otherwise misleading. It is entertainment, a soap opera for adult men.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Hikikomori »

lwansbrough wrote: post #120
Hikikomori wrote: post #117

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They probably should get started on that as it seems to be the only detterent for genocidal regimes like Russia, US and Israel from attacking you.

No. The greater deterrent is to make the world so complexly integrated that such actions carry an enormous cost.

Join the American hegemony or get bombed?

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by kuerbel »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #142
kuerbel wrote: post #102

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I fear that the push for increasing defense spending in Europe was in preparation for a new NATO alliance case. They are certainly going to try it.

Why fear a hypothetical conspiracy? When there's enough reason to increase budgets because of a multi year war that's being fought right at our borders by a mad man, who has shown his willingness to attack and who enjoys the sympathy of the administration that was responsible for 62% of Nato's spending? Hello?

Hi! I meant specifically the us admin pushing for more defense spending in Europe. There was so much emphasis laid on this, while saying they don't want to wage more wars. But now they are going all in, so that part was a lie.

Unrelated to that some increase in spending was due, I agree with that. All I'm saying is that I don't trust the US admin.

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