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Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? we're talking about autonomous weapons systems. That would be internationally. Secondarily, we're talking about domestic surveillance / law enforcement. That would be domestic. (But they do not find an issue with international intelligence gathering-- which is a legitimate purpose of national security apparatus).

I think the person you are replying to takes issue with the thing which you have simply asserted.

Which thing? Helping intelligence / international surveillance?

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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post #96
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? we're talking about autonomous weapons systems. That would be internationally. Secondarily, we're talking about domestic surveillance / law enforcement. That would be domestic. (But they do not find an issue with international intelligence gathering-- which is a legitimate purpose of national security apparatus).

I don’t think deploying “80% right” tools for mass surveillance (or anything that can remotely impact human life) counts as lawful in any context. Just because the US currently lacks a functioning legislative branch doesn’t magically make it OK when gaps in the law are reworded into “national security”

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say or assert, so you can put it more clearly.

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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From what I can tell, the key difference between Anthropic and OpenAI in this whole thing is that both want the same contract terms, but Antropic wants to enforce those terms via technology, and OpenAI wants to enforce them by ... telling the Government not to violate them. It's telling that the government is blacklisting the company that wants to do more than enforce the contract with words on paper.

That isn't my understanding. OpenAI and others are wanting to limit the government to doing what is lawful based on what laws the government writes. Anthropic is wanting to draw their own line on what is allowed regardless of laws passed.

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Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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"i told everyone that our boss shouldn't punish our colleague for X while i somehow made a deal with our boss for basically X". how did this get by without someone thinking about how absolutely stupid the optics look. i guess we are in the times where you can literally just say whatever you want and it just becomes truth, just give it time.

hah, they basically stole a coworkers promotion, then told that person that they put in a good word with the boss about them. So silly, I do wonder who actually interprets it as Sam seems to hope people do.

Coworker? They're competitors. This is simply good business.

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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post #91

No wonder they think they’re close to AGI when they think we are that stupid. > The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control, nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by a human decisionmaker under the same authorities. This whole sentence does do absolutely nothing its st…

These people truly believe we're all idiots.

Doesn’t matter what they Believe. Not like we are going to do anything about it. Next couple weeks most of HN will be lining up to use the new OpenAI model that’s .01% better.

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't my understanding. OpenAI and others are wanting to limit the government to doing what is lawful based on what laws the government writes. Anthropic is wanting to draw their own line on what is allowed regardless of laws passed.

I’m so confused by the focus on “all lawful use.” Yea of course a contract without terms of use implicitly is restricted by laws. But contracts with terms of use are incredibly common, if not almost every single contract ever signed.

If the president does it, it's not illegal.

These were words issued by the president - which means at face value, if Trump orders it, it's not illegal - that was the fight that was lost today.

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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The USG should not be in the position that it can't manage key technologies it purchases. If Anthropic doesn't want to relinquish control of a tech it's selling, the Pentagon should go with another vendor.

You are misrepresenting the situation. The debate isn't about whether they should go with another vendor or not. Everybody can agree that they would have the right to pick a different vendor. That's not what they're doing, they're instead trying to force Anthropic into doing what they want by applying a designation previously only reserved for Chinese companies like Huawei as punishment for taking their stance, with an unspoken agreement that if Anthropic backs down and allows full usage then the designation will be removed

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so confused by the focus on “all lawful use.” Yea of course a contract without terms of use implicitly is restricted by laws. But contracts with terms of use are incredibly common, if not almost every single contract ever signed.

If the president does it, it's not illegal. These were words issued by the president - which means at face value, if Trump orders it, it's not illegal - that was the fight that was lost today.

Not just the president — the Supreme Court agreed.

Re: We do not think Anthropic should be designated as a supply chain risk

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post #91

No wonder they think they’re close to AGI when they think we are that stupid. > The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control, nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by a human decisionmaker under the same authorities. This whole sentence does do absolutely nothing its st…

Boycott OpenAI.

Let's kill their business before it kills us.

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