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Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.

I read it and, maybe it’s because I’ve spent too much time in fintech, I don’t share most of the concerns.

The differences in proclaimed data retention periods is concerning though. The rest is par for the course for KYC/AML.

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The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.

That was a great read, very interesting!

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To me it feels pragmatic. I find it more concerning that mass surveillance has come to the point where someone can’t safely express their frankly-not-that-controversial opinions without obfuscating the subject’s name.

So you think that the state has massive surveillance systems (definitely) that it is willing to use maliciously (maybe), but in the age of LLMs is fooled by swapping some letters around? Seems like the threat model is unlikely to line up with reality.

It’s not a “maybe”. This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago. you really think they’re going to send them gift baskets or something?

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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post #15

The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here: https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.

Note also there's a direct response from Persona's security team here[1], and a lot of back and forth from Rick on Twitter[2].

[1]: https://withpersona.com/blog/post-incident-review-source-map...

[2]: https://x.com/Persona_IDV/status/2025048195773198385?s=20

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Indeed. Empathy and the levels of wealth accumulation in scope are incompatible imho. They are the paperclip maximizers we were warned about.

Where do you guys come up with these ideas? Simply having a lot of money makes someone evil? Why? They are obviously all quite competitive in business but the philanthropy they've done is pretty crazy. Gates for example is giving away hundreds of billions of dollars. What does it even matter if he's compassionate or not if he's doing that?

> the philanthropy they've done is pretty crazy

If philanthropy and normal living expenses (even assuming billionaire living standards) were the only things super-rich people spent money on that's fine. Unfortunately they use it to directly influence politics and society.

Wealth, like celestial bodies, has a gravitational field.

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I would have agreed 5 years ago, but not this day and age, when AI is raping open source projects and killing platforms like Stack Overflow. We need a safe space from web crawlers and surveillance, and open forums ain't it. (Neither is Discord, but a sufficiently secure alternative might be.)

AI is what??

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I am not convinced. Teter Piel (don't want to use the other name) kind of purchased a LOT of influence power via lobbyists. One lobbyist is Sebastian Lurz (also not going to use the real name here; the letter "l" is an in-country humourous take on Lüssel, Lasser and so forth - ex-politicians). The superrich buy influence and worsen the situation for the rest of us. This has to stop. The USA is currently under direct…

Remember the good ol' days of the last century when we worried about Big Government spying on us?

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So someone is evil because they answer questions by thinking through them? There are no questions in the universe that can’t be stopped and pondered over. In fact, it’s dangerous to even suggest that, that’s the exact mechanism that propaganda runs on.

Ah yes, the real danger to the world isn’t a powerful man feeling ambivalent about our survival. The real danger is society using that moment as propaganda. This regarding Thiel, a man who most recently tried to make a “Greta Thunberg is the Antichrist” meme stick.

Question 1: If a human modifies with themselves with enough sci-fi tier technology are they still "Human"? (And therefore if humans "ascend" past their biology, humanity technically wouldn't survive)

Question 2: If a person cannot conceive that the 1st question is an interesting question, with multiple nuances, are they basically an idiot?

Re: Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona

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So you think that the state has massive surveillance systems (definitely) that it is willing to use maliciously (maybe), but in the age of LLMs is fooled by swapping some letters around? Seems like the threat model is unlikely to line up with reality.

It’s not a “maybe”. This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago. you really think they’re going to send them gift baskets or something?

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